Thursday, October 8, 2015

Fingerprints can tell your ancestry!

A recent article on a research study of the finger prints of the index finger showed that finger prints are reliable as distinct markers for one’s ancestral lineage. The finger prints are analyzed at Level 1, 2 and 3. The study shows that Level 2 is distinct for lineages and different from one another. It showed that Level 2 prints of European Americans were same and distinct from the Level 2 prints of African Americans.

In Level 1 the orientation and general appearance of the ridges are observed. For example, the picture below shows left loop in the middle. The directions of the lines are observed in level 1.



The study says that there are no marked differences in Level 1 among the population and no differences between men and women. But this is observed in the index finger.

The Level 2 observation covers finer details of the lines of the ridges. The following figure shows the Level 2 observation.




(Pic courtesy: http://onin.com/fp/level123.html#level1)


Here the dots, the joints and ridges are analyzed.
The study says that this pattern is similar on certain accounts for lineages making it possible to identify whether one comes in African lineage or European lineage. This is with reference to index finger.

On coming to know of this study I thought that the scope of this study can be expanded to cover Thumb finger comparisons. According to Nadi ideology, there are 108 variations in the thumb finger prints when we combine both Level 1 and some feature of Level 2.  The common features of Level 1 are Chakra (whorl), Shanku (loop) and arch. They are read along with dots or joints at particular ridges of the Level 2 as identification for a person. They are distinct for men and women. It will be worthy to test this in studies of this kind for knowledge-expansion.

Though my knowledge of finger prints is limited, I have some knowledge on the distinct nature of palm lines, thanks to Cheiro’s defense of palmistry. The cells that make the palm lines are unique and not found anywhere else in the body. They have a connection with some energy flow or signal from the brain. Fresh changes in the palm lines occur as and when an event or a calamity or an emotional stress happens to the person.

Another observation is about handedness. The changes happen only in the right hand for right-handed people and in the left hand for the left-handed people. There is no gender difference in this. I have observed this in numerous people. This is in conflict with Nadi ideology of handedness in male and female. Perhaps it applies to finger print impressions. Studies of the kind reported below can give better understanding of this ancient knowledge.


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Ancestral background can be determined by fingerprints

Author: Matt Shipman



A proof-of-concept study finds that it is possible to identify an individual's ancestral background based on his or her fingerprint characteristics -- a discovery with significant applications for law enforcement and anthropological research.


{Anthropologists have looked at fingerprints for years, because they are interested  in human variation. But this research has looked at Level 1 details, such as pattern  types and ridge counts. Forensic fingerprint analysis, which is used in criminal  justice contexts, looks at Level 2 details – the more specific variations,  such as bifurcations, where a fingerprint ridge splits  [Credit: North Carolina State University]


"This is the first study to look at this issue at this level of detail, and the findings are extremely promising," says Ann Ross, a professor of anthropology at North Carolina State University and senior author of a paper describing the work. "But more work needs to be done. We need to look at a much larger sample size and evaluate individuals from more diverse ancestral backgrounds."

Anthropologists have looked at fingerprints for years, because they are interested in human variation. But this research has looked at Level 1 details, such as pattern types and ridge counts. Forensic fingerprint analysis, which is used in criminal justice contexts, looks at Level 2 details -- the more specific variations, such as bifurcations, where a fingerprint ridge splits.

For this study, researchers looked at Level 1 and Level 2 details of right index-finger fingerprints for 243 individuals: 61 African American women; 61 African American men; 61 European American women; and 60 European American men. The fingerprints were analyzed to determine whether there were patterns that were specific to either sex or ancestral background.

The researchers found no significant differences between men and women, but did find significant differences in the Level 2 details of fingerprints between people of European American and African American ancestry. "A lot of additional work needs to be done, but this holds promise for helping law enforcement," Ross says. "And it's particularly important given that, in 2009, the National Academy of Sciences called for more scientific rigor in forensic science -- singling out fingerprints in particular as an area that merited additional study.


 "This finding also tells us that there's a level of variation in fingerprints that is of interest to anthropologists, particularly in the area of global population structures -- we just need to start looking at the Level 2 fingerprint details," Ross says. The paper is published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. 

19 comments:

Sudarsan said...

Respected Maam,

This is continuation of my previous query which you had kindly replied upon. To summarize my understanding

1. Four fold people co-existed in Sundaland.
2. Then volcano eruptions (Mt.Toba) happened I guess Manavas moved to the Arabian sea and inhabited the place there.
3. During this time the Devas existed in the North (the time when Manavas took the place from Gujarat to Goa in Arabian Sea). is this correct? All this is before the first floods inundated in the Ice Age. is this correct?
4. In one of your blogs you had mentioned when Shiva destroyed (Ref Mt.Toba), devas were happy and the asuras were devastated. Why this is so?
(http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2011/11/sundaland-was-location-of-tripura.html). In fact this should have helped Asuras as well right..
5.When the first floods came in part of the Manavas went via Dwaraka to form the Saraswathy valley civilization. the rest went to Persian Gulf.
6. Now when this happened I believe the Devas still existed in the North.
7. When did they move below to have a limited mingling with the Manu group of people.
8. From the Manu we had the lineage of Rama and Krishna and from Sibi we had the Chola lineage.
7. Now where do Pandiyas fit in this scheme? or is it that when Manu entered through Dwaraka a group of Manavas existed around Indian ocean and they were called Pandiyas.
8.After that we have the 3rd deluge 3500 years ago. This is when the Pandiyas split into multiple groups.
9. When was the 2nd Deluge? and why come Devas came down from their past to Uttarakuru..

Hearfelt thanks for your help.

Sincerely,
Sudarsan.D

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan.

My replies are as follows:

1. Refer my article “Genetic study on Aryan invasion” http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2009/01/genetic-study-on-aryan-non-invasion.html

2. Toba eruption happened 70,000 years ago. It was followed by a migration to Northern latitudes. Till 40,000 years ago this movement had happened. One corridor for movement must have been via Arabian sea and North west India and east Europe. That period was dominated by Denisovans in the North. They are extinct now. 40,000 yrs BP was Deva period. After that it became Uttar Kuru. My article in this link might throw some insights http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2010/12/discovery-of-30000-year-human-imprint.html

3. The comments in this link might help
http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-ban-gita-when-russia-has-vedic-past.html

4. That is as per the puranic version of Tripura samhara. Geologically that marked the end of the era of southern movement of Sun. That means population thinned down in the southern hemisphere. In those days population and its growth or fall followed the movement of the sun to the north and the south that formed a cycle of 28,800 years.

5.yes.

6. yes

7.They didn’t openly move.

8. Sibi also comes in Ikshwaku lineage.

9. Not Pandyas. I would rather re-phrase it as “People in the South.” The Pandyan king always kept up his connect with Indian mainland and moved to South Indian main land after the deluge. The people at large dispersed as far as Polynesia.

10. There are many articles in this blog on this topic and specifically you can browse this article http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/02/all-tamils-must-unite-to-save-ram-setu.html
and browse http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.com/ Read articles 19, 20, 21 and others in that link.

Sudarsan said...

Respected Maam,

Sincere thanks for clarifying. It is getting clearer for me now. Had a few other queries.

1. I understood that when Sundaland had eruptions/disruptions people migrated towards North going to the now Siberia/Volga etc..
2. I also read that Mahabali (Asura) lived in the south (probably in Mahabalipuram) and ruled till Vamana. I also read that in the next Manvanathara South will gain prominence and Virochana and Asuras will become the Devas.. But from here it looks like there was a period when both Asuras and Devas lived at the same time..
Just like we have Vedas from Devas do we have any literature from Asuras?. Which gods they worshipped and what's their philosophy?
3. I am interested to visit the ancient Vishnu temples. What would be the ancient most Vishnu temple in India? What would be the ancient temple which Rama/Krishna/Devas visited and did Pujas?
4. Just related to point 2) in the next manvanthara Asuras will become deva. But even in the current Manvantra Dewvas are not there. Not able to relate to this fact.

Sincerely,
Sudarsan.D

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan.

My relies...

1. That is one route of migration. From North to South, migrations had taken place when North became colder and inhabitable. What I have constructed from the narration from Mahabharata was written in the comment section of this blog - http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.in/2013/01/guest-blogger-jayasree-asians-indians.html

Similar migrations had happened between Europe and Africa. A recent (10,000 yrs BP ago) migration from South to North occurred via Ireland to Scandinavia which I outlined in my article on spread of Skanda culture to Scandinavia - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/09/is-vedic-astrology-derived-from-greek_27.html

2.A Manvanthra will take 30 crore years. That is pretty long period to pinpoint histories. But within the Manvanthra human civilization had seen changes and migrations and calamities. What we are talking about are these changes in micro cosmic scale. As such the present times are the rule of the South - the Asuras. Read the last few paragraphs of this article of mine - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/05/mina-rashi-verse-of-y-vj-greek-vs-vedic.html

Bali's land extended from Sundaland to SE India off Mahabalipuram. There were 6 previous Mahabalipurams that were submerged one after the other in the SE direction of present day Mahabalipurm. Underwater excavation linking this sector might throw more evidences.

On your queries on Devas and Asuras, I think this article of mine could help - http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.in/2012/01/jayasree-on-arctic-vedas-and-dravidians.html

3. In my opinion Saptavidanga murthis of Lord Shiva must have been the oldest surviving Murthis of India. They were originally consecrated by Muchukuntha who was also responsible for installing Chanthukka Bootham of Silappadikara fame. Those Shiva murthis were made before the concept of giving an image to God for worship purpose was formed. The very first murthi installed by Manu must have been Somnath which is however lost due to invaders. Shiva worship was prominent before Indian mainland was peopled by Manu. It came from Shaka dweepa which is where Pandyans came to occupy before / during Ice age times. But once inside Indian mainland, the guarding deity is Vishnu. Read this http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/02/countries-and-worship-that-existed.html
This is an old article of mine and I have different or more refined opinions on some of the points I have written there. Someday I will make the corrections. But be assured that Indian continent had Vishnu as the guardian deity and as such the previous Shiva worshipers of Manu's lineage shifted to Vishnu worship.

All the Diva desas of Vishnu were originally associated with some rishi or olden king to whom Vishnu had appeared in some form. The sthala puranas will tell you the details. Srirangam must have been the oldest temples as the Murthi was originally worshiped by Rama. Koodal azhagar of Madurai must been more than 5000 years old and it was known as Iruntahiyur in 2nd Sangam age. Read ny articles in my blog "Vishnu in Sangam texts".

(cont'd)

jayasree said...

4. I think the link given in point 2 would give you some idea on Devas and Asuras. Moreover these words have philosophical connotations. In this link (http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/08/anna-daanam-or-soru-daanam-which-is.html) you can read the explanation of "da" as given in Brihadaranyaka upanishad. It was discussed in the context of Devas, Manushyas and Asuras. As per that all of us have deva, manushya and asura tendencies.
Devas are those who lack control over their senses –
Indra is foremost among them!
Humans are those who hesitate to give,
and would not part off with their belongings so easily.
Asuras are those who take pleasure in showing cruelty to others.

Read the details in that article.

Per that there are only Manushyas -the thinking people. They were classified as Devas and asuras on the basis of tendencies. The classification can happen on the basis of location too (Puranic version) which is no longer applicable in present day world. And the classification had happened on mtDNA too such as Daityas (Diti's descendants) and Danavas (Danu's descendants.

jayasree said...

In this article I have provided a map of one type of migration from Indian Ocean to the Indian mainland - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/03/meteor-hit-in-russia-some-thoughts.html

In this link, I have given a map of probable dispersal of people from Sundaland -http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2012/11/date-of-indian-civilization-pushed-upto.html

In this link (my article in Tamil), maps of such dispersal are given - http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.com/2012/12/121.html

Krishna Murthi said...

Srirangam must have been the oldest temples as the Murthi was originally worshiped by Rama. Koodal azhagar of Madurai must been more than 5000 years old and it was known as Iruntahiyur in 2nd Sangam age./// There is a Vishnu temple at Thiruvallarai, Tiruchy District, which is more older than Srirangam temple. This temple was built by ancestor of Srirama. Periyallwar has many prabhandhams on this divya desam.

Sudarsan said...

Respected Maam,
Had a few queries

1. In the article
http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2011/11/indus-girl-and-indra-loka-have-remnants.html#uds-search-results

you have mentioned in the comments section that Shiva Ganas could be Chinese. Given the Chinese as they are, can you please throw some light on this on how the relation was formed.

2.
In the article
http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2008/10/continuing-civilization-from-harappa-to.html
you have mentioned that Vishvakarma devised the system that existed in the North pole but in the previous Manvanthara.
I believed that the Polar Devas who migrated from Sundaland were from the current Manvanthara and that Indra was the ruler of this North Pole Kuru (Siberia/Moksha/Moscow)
Also you had mentioned in the same article, that the Indra mentioned could be of different era.
So the question is the Polar Devas as we know belong to this manvanthara but does it also mean that there were Devas before this Manvanthara and they had vimanas and other things.
But we do see that Rama had the Vimana even in this Manvanthara and used it. Could you help me understand this?

3.
The souther temples are they of Mayan or Visvakarma tradition. Please clarify.

4.
If Rama had flown using Vimanas somewhere in the Sangam literature it should have got mentioned right given the fact it was uncommon. Do you see any references to that?

5.
Lord Muruga also had walked on this earth. Ifs so what time-frame did this happen? Can you please help here as well?

Sincerely,
Sudarsan.D

jayasree said...

@Krishnamurthi,

Yes, many Divya desas were older than Rama's times. Even Thiruppullani kshetram (Ram sethu) was older than Rama's times as Rama's father Dasharatha had worshiped there seeking Putra bhagya. We can do a study of the sthala puranas with particular reference on whose sake Perumal had appeared in a kshetra and pinpoint the period with the help of chronologies of Ikshvaku dynasty and the like.

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan,

1. The oldest decipherable period is 70,000 yrs BP that saw the eruption of Mt Toba. I compared it with Tripura samhara. That was depicted as the Dance of Shiva or rather the Rudra Dandava of destructive kind. One of my corroboratory material is the name of the dance as Pandaranga - as Siva was seen in white - immersed in white ashes of the volcano dust. That was the oldest dance in Sangam age and is extinct now.There are corroboratory evidences for Puranic names connected with Tripura samhara for the names of volcanoes and places and their directional orientation in Jawa. I have constructed some theories and diectional pictures on this basis and would write them in this blogspot sometime. The Puranic construction of events and the conception Shiva as destroyer as conceived by the rishis must have started with that oldest period of 70,000 yrs BP. (Some of )The chinese / daitya looking people of that period must have been identified as Rudra Ganas.

Shiva's abode in the South started by then and he went into meditation to bring back regeneration in that sector. Cocks and peacocks were the first regenerated ones - like this we can reconstruct on the basis of inputs in Paripadal. I have not yet properly put them in order and once I do that, I will write. From Shiva of that southern region was followed by Skanda ideology and the people (Manavas - those not appearing like Daityas or Danavas - both these were fair skinned- or negroids) who were mostly looking as Austro- Asians were the early worshipers of This Shiva cult and Pandyas come in that segment.

Vaivasvatha Manu's ancestors also must have belonged to that segment but had separated from that land before the Ice age or at the start of the Ice age and settled in west coast of India.

There is yet another concept of Shiva in the Himalayas in Kirata form about which we can read in Mahabharata. This location is in Nagaland and around. This location is linked with Sundaland and was a corridor for North- South migration driven by climate conditions. I consider that the escapees of Mt Toba eruption had fled through this corridor and reached the Himalayas of this segment of Nagaland and its surroundings. Perhaps the Arunachal Pradesh was fore runner to Arunachala (of TN) concept and it must have started before 40,000 yrs.

And also after a fierce destruction it was customary to plunge into chillness / cold waters. The heat of Tripura smahara was pacified by finding a recluse in the Himayalas. That is how I relate the daityas of short stature to be the Shiva ganas surrounding Him in the Himalayas.

Another destruction also had happened - much later indicated by Dashka yaga episode of Puranas. By that time Shiva's abode became the Himalayas. The idea that Shiva was not given offerings means that death rate was low. Some devastating fire must have raged that reduced the population. That is indicated as Shiva's fury in having lost Sati. Vaivasvatha Manu's period started after that.

jayasree said...

2, I dont subscribe to the view 'polar Devas'. The Devas as a people, as we understand from Mahabharata were in Uttar kruru near Baikal.

MAnvanthras were originally 30 crore yrs long. So far 15 crore yrs are over. Within that period some smaller periods (28,800 yrs) are identified as smaller manvanthras. It is complex idea. I will write some time as a blog.

I will write for other queries after a day or two as I am in transit now.

Sudarsan said...

Respected Maam,

Sincere thanks.

Had these additional queries as well

1. 70,000BP Mt.Toba explosion
2. Sundaland key of current human population.
3. 40,000BP migration of people in Sundaland towards Himalayas and beyond. Called as Devas. Founders of Visvakarma
3. May be around 25,000BP a gourp of Manavas moved out of Sundaland and settled around Arabian sea. They are Dravdians.
4. Deva era peaked around 19,000BP and last heard about Devas around 10,000BP. Wooly mammoth could be Airvatha

Now my queries are
1. When did the Asuras like Hiranya, and Prahlada, Mahabali live in these periods.
2. What was the start , peak and end of Asura periods? (Mahabali end)
When was the start, peak and end of Deva period?> (end of Wolly mammoth)
3. When was the end of Asuras as relative to migration of human civilization to Inland (mainland) china and to Europe..
4. Did Ravanan had really 10 heads. Was it Common those days. I have read that it is a philosophical concept to explain the various qualities. If tht's the case, even the Sangam literature mentions him as 10 headed. Any thoughts on whether it was a physical possibility.


Sincerely,
Sudarsan.D

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan (continuing)

2. On Vimanas. There is of course material to support the idea that Vimanas were there in the remote past. But note that Rama didn't possess while Ravana possessed one, which was a stolen one. Knowledge of Vimanas was there with specific people of the Northern Deva land. Vasus like Uparichara Vasu who lived in the Himalayas (the name itself is indicative of living on heights - Upari- chara)flew on Vimanas, It is possible they used gliders for transportation from one peak to another or to a valley. The devas (refer Indus and Indra loka article)preferred to live above the ground - perhaps the piling of snow in the ground in their regions forced them to live in higher locations- and this required them to have gliding planes for transportation. And they secretly guarded their techniques.

3. Mostly Mayan. The difference is in the scale /measurement system. By Mahabharata times Mayan system came to be accepted. Mayan had greatly contributed to transport vehicles, machinery and furniture too besides buildings. The use of pulley in wells and in farm wells are Mayan innovations. Only in house structure, Vishwakarma rules were followed until a generation ago throughout India. The rural houses with central open courtyard and segments of the house as front (mun kadai), middle and backyard (pin kadai / Puzhakkadai) irrespective of the direction is Vishwakarma method.

jayasree said...

On Vishwakarma vastu, this article of mine in Tamil throws some ideas.
http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.com/2011/11/83.html

4. Rama did not fly over Pandyan territory. On how Pandyans would not have been aware of Rama's route through their territory was written by me in the comment section of http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/02/all-tamils-must-unite-to-save-ram-setu.html

5. As a God, Muruga was the first in chronological order. The development of Muruga concept is like that of Indra - cosmological, divine and physical. I have not yet written in detail about this. Muruga as God was developed 10,000 years and and was spread all across the Indian Ocean and Polynesia and went to Europe as Baal and was in Scandinavia too. I need time and more research to write this all in coherence.

While browsing my articles to pick out the links for you, I chanced upon the comment of this article http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.com/2011/03/46-2.html

From that
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You will be surprised to see the exactly African look of none other than a Chidambaram Dheekshitar from a portrait of early 20th century. See this link

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2011/07/chidambaram-temple-podu-dikshitars.html#!/2011/07/chidambaram-temple-podu-dikshitars.html


On African connection, East Africans migrated westward about 1 lakh years ago.
The Sunda land (present Indonesia) was Shaka dweepa of olden times where the previous civilization, whom we call as Daksha Prajapthi existed. The eruption of Mount Toba, Indonesia about 50,000 years ago is linked to the destruction by fire which was personified as destruction of Tripurasura by Lord Shiva.

This resulted a lull in population which spilled to locations in the Indian ocean which we call as Kumari Khandam. The lull continued for 28,800 years after which a renewal of growth of population happened due to favorable climatic conditions in the South, Shiva, Muruga, Pandyas etc came up in this period in visible areas connected to 2 ridges which are now submerged in the Indian ocean.

This coincided with another branch entering India via Saraswathy river which was flowing as a gigantic river then (13,000 years ago). This branch came to be called as Manu.//

Don't forget to check the link I have given in this excerpt.

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan

1. When did the Asuras like Hiranya, and Prahlada, Mahabali live in these periods.

It was when Sundaland rose about 25,000 yrs BP. In Thamizhan Dravidana blog I have written some. Read articles numbered 113 and 114. There is more which I hope to write in future.

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2. What was the start , peak and end of Asura periods? (Mahabali end)
When was the start, peak and end of Deva period?> (end of Wolly mammoth)

It coincided with the sway of the tilt of the earth ( as seen from the movement of the Sun in the backdrop of stars.) Now Sun is in the South and till 300 more years it will be moving towards South. Now Sun is in 6 degrees of Pisces. It will go upto 3 degrees of Pisces. Until then heat will be more in the Southern hemisphere melting Antartic Ice. This will also see Ice / chillness building up in the Northern hemisphere. In olden days, this coincided with Ice age in the north and life in the south. By this lands in the south get under water increasingly in this period. It was in the last cycle of this melting, Bali lived and sank. Now again his age.

But in Kaliyuga of today all these are blurred. As it used to be said, the cold and hot climates had not deterred people and they can simulate chillness in hot weather and generate heat in chill weather in Kaliyuga. Read Yuga articles on how attitudes also determine the Yuga.

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3. When was the end of Asuras as relative to migration of human civilization to Inland (mainland) china and to Europe..

Asura also connotes many meanings. Read my Ashur articles in Munda series. Migrations had not been enmasse in the last 10,000 years and would continue to be so in future.

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4. Did Ravanan had really 10 heads. Was it Common those days. I have read that it is a philosophical concept to explain the various qualities. If tht's the case, even the Sangam literature mentions him as 10 headed. Any thoughts on whether it was a physical possibility.

No. It is philosophical and figurative and not real.

Sudarsan said...

Respected Maam,

Sincere thanks for your help.

Had this query which I was not able to get an answer after going through the various articles.

1. I understand that just before the Mt.Toba explosion, 4 kinds of people existed in earth (Devas, Danavas, Daityas and Manushyas). Due to the explsion, there was an early migration from the southern side to Northern region (Atlai, Siberia). It is from here that Manu went to form Dravida land. It is from that around 7000 BP, Danavas moved to NW india and to Europe and the Daityas moved to inland China.

2. The Devas were the people who went like this to Siberia and they were there till 10,000BP. their peak was mentioned around 19,000BP.

3. But what's not clear to me is in the web-site I read that was a reverse migration from Northern to Southern when the ice age set in and that It was not through India but through China and back o Sundaland... So does this mean that the Devas again came to Southern region say around 10,000 BP and that too in Sundaland.
)Ref: http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2012/11/date-of-indian-civilization-pushed-upto.html)

Please clarify.

Sincerely,
Sudarsan.D

jayasree said...

@ Sudarsan.

1.Even before Toba explosion, mankind had flourished there. But after Mt Toba explosion, major dispersal had happened. According to genetic study of Oppenheimer one section had crossed NW part of India (this could be Mesapatomia and Afghanistan) and entered Europe. There are cross references to this from Neanderthal studies. This migration had happened until 40,000 yrs ago. Corresponding to that time a standing figure of Man- lion in gold was found in a cave in Germany which seemed to be of a kind of worshiping in a temple. Gold was unknown at that time in Germany. The idea of man-lion is Narasimha. And gold was smelted in Sundaland at that times perhaps in an easy way of procuring from volcanic activities. Narasimha avathara happened in Sundaland according to me.

Like this in many ways I am relating to connect with genetic finding and arrived at a view that there was no reverse migration after 40,000 yrs BP from Northern latitudes to India.

The Danavas had gone many times in this corridor in small pockets. They could have even taken different routes via Africa. In my Tamil article I have explained some of the available links. But the last time the Danava population left via NW corridor or Indian side was in 7000 yrs BP. The European population are Danava descendants.

2. Probable. Indraloka was associated with Uttarkuru. Some beings who maintained extreme secrecy or an aura of secrecy and superiority lived in Ramayana (Indrajit name cause) and Mahabharata times (5000 yrs BP).

jayasree said...

3. I think you can read Tamil. Read this blog in my Tamil blog http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2012/11/113.html
If you can, read the articles before and after that blog where I have explained how the Puranic people and events can be accommodated in the findings of the current period. In that link I have given a map of dispersal of people. It shows a North - south corridor connecting china / Sundaland with Siberia /Altai / Mongolia. We dont know the exact period of migration through this corridor but the Mahabharata narration that I deciphered shows that it coincided with climate changes.

Adding further strength to my view, a new study has been published yesterday that says people having the similar morphology like us had lived in Daoxian in SE china some 80,000 yrs ago. This is close to the southern part of this migration channel I described in my article. The formation / presence of ideas on Indra, Airavatha etc in Burma and surrounding region is due to this reason only. Moreover whereever it is said that Indra started to rule ( as in the Mahabharata narration on migration) it means mankind had settled and started to grow there. So in the southern corridor of SE China, Burma, Sundaland, there was a time when mankind flourished. That means Indra was ruling there. That further means that Devas were there! - Yes Devas in the south.

It can happen when population grows at one place. Population and its growth followed heat and Sun's domination. Where Sun's heat was conducive for growth, there Devas lived! Deva means light. Suras also means light or followers of Sun / Surya. In olden days population was not wide spread as it is now and was concentrated in pockets where Surya (heat) and Varuna (water) bestowed their blessings. That is why we read about Devas in the south too.

But on a larger perspective, population was well concentrated and moving within the latitudes where sun and water were available. So any decipherment of ideas of such issues in Puranas or Mahabharata must be done with that awareness.

The Chinese study adds credit to my views. China was more closer to Sundaland and offered an escape from calamities of Sundaland. The oldest habitation must have been there and that is why it is hugely populated. Similarly India also offered the best place for growth of population and escape region from calamities in the Indian ocean from olden times. That is why the population has been phenomenal in India. One may ask why not Australia. The dispersed ones went there but its southern most latitude is not offering a climatic advantage for continuing refuge for human population.

The Chinese study can be read here
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34531861
http://english.ivpp.cas.cn/rh/rp/201305/t20130512_101949.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature15696.html

The location of this finding in Daoxian can be seen in the map here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dao_County

jayasree said...

The recently published study in China of the presence of people in Daoxion, it has been recorded that a rare species of elephant-like animal also has been found among the remains. It is called Stegodon orientalis. This is an important input in tracing the genesis of elephants, particularly Airavadha in the Southen part of the hemisphere.

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