tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post213230528333474230..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Naga, Uraga and Pannaga of Puranas - who are they? Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-4356037693011461612023-10-29T00:38:14.787+05:302023-10-29T00:38:14.787+05:30RE the origin of the Naga, you may find the "...RE the origin of the Naga, you may find the "Snake Cult of Consciousness" theory interesting, which looks at the phylogeny of snake myths and their association with consciousness going back to the Ice Age: https://www.vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cult-of-consciousness<br /><br />What source do you have on the Nahuatl saying they are part of the Naga? (The linked article does bring up Quatzalcoatl, their snake creation god.)Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16478205021715205629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-23031645694228968842017-10-28T18:05:31.373+05:302017-10-28T18:05:31.373+05:30@ Subhashini Gopalaswamy,
# You have given the ...@ Subhashini Gopalaswamy, <br /><br /># You have given the meanings of Kutila, so there is nothing new to add. These features being present in a snake, you might have come across passages referring to snake as Kutila. But I don't know that snakes are known by that name. <br /><br /># Kudi- pambu is different as the word is Kudi (living - kudiyirukkum pambu) and not kuti.<br /><br /># The name associated with Manavalamamugal could be Kutila - curled like a snake.<br /><br /># on your query on Kalai, I think you are referring to चलति in sanskrit. If so, the words cala and kalai are not same. If not, please write the Sanskrit word you mean to understand your exact query. <br /><br /># Just a thought on reading your comment. If you are looking for Tamil roots for Sanskrit words, take it from me that Tamil and Sanskrit share many words by virtue of these languages having the same source before they were segregated - by Lord Shiva and handed over to Agastya and Panini. Their grammar is complementary. Many proto words are retained as they are, in both languages, while there are many other words that have been modified in Tamil when Tamil was grammatically developed. There are sutras in Tol Kappiyam to substantiate this. I am constrained to reveal them here as I will be making them known in my paper to be presented in December. After that my paper will be in public domain and I will write more about that in this blog. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-87001455894357069062017-10-27T18:51:10.273+05:302017-10-27T18:51:10.273+05:30regarding the snake names , is the sanskrit name ...regarding the snake names , is the sanskrit name "kutila" refers to snake. In ancient tamil snake was called as "kuti pambu" and manavalamamuni believed to be the manifestation of ramanujar was called as " kutti" which is rooted in "kutila" the meaning of this sanskrit word is " zig zag movement, curved, twisted, curled ect. kindly clarify this point whether the above words would be appropriate for snake.In same way the word "calai" (kalai - bull) in tamil is derived from sanskrit word "cala " meaning " agitated, confused, ferocious ect. pl clarify this point also. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07430974610212582161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-79177478399564552922016-02-09T16:53:56.717+05:302016-02-09T16:53:56.717+05:30@ Unknown,
1. What you are referring to is a very...@ Unknown,<br /><br />1. What you are referring to is a very late period, while Naga name is pretty old, much before Ahoms. The wiki article attributes Noka to Burmese word. Even if you assume that the name Naga was derived from Ahom, what is the etymology of Ahom? Doesn't it sound like having risen from Ahi - which means snake? Look at the name Kohima - isn't it Ka: ahi, (meaning which snake or who is this snake) once again arising from the name, snake? I am saying in this article that the name Naga is widespread, there is even Nahua people in Mexico. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahua_peoples). Some Mayan people too have claimed that they came from Nagas in India. The Naga territories are many in India according to Mahabharata, but there did live Nagas in the part of Himalayan foot hills where Nagaland stands now. <br /><br />2. Yes. There were Naga kingdoms in many places bordering Himalayas. Kashmir was one such place (Anant Nag). Takshasila was another, named after Takshakas, a group of Nagas. There are references to Nagas in Punjab, Kurukshetra and Uttrakhand. Shiva was sighted as a Kirata somewhere in or near the present day Nagaland. His mated hair was actually a reference to the geological phenomena of winding formation that look like hair-locks, in the Himalayan rocks through which the Ganges actually flows even today. <br /><br />3, Yes, this is what I am saying in the article - that cave or tunnel dwellers got a name Naga or serpents from time immemorial. Around the world only such people have got a name sounding similar to Naga. Such being the case, how can you attribute the name Naga in Naga land to a very recent idea? Which came first Naga or Ahom's Noka? <br /><br />4. Right.<br /><br />5. Yes, I have said that in the article - that Nagas were born to Surasa, who is one among the 13 wives of Kashyapa. This could refer to a female genetic line. In other words they were a set of people having originated from a specific mtDNA of a single female. They were not actually snakes, but behaved like snakes or lived like snakes. Those who behaved like snakes with a specific attribute would have got the name, say, Uraga (silent crawling). Those who lived like snakes in holes and caves were Nagas. These generic names had risen from specific causes. <br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-52970617712520092022016-02-09T14:15:21.593+05:302016-02-09T14:15:21.593+05:301. The Nagaland name is derived from Ahom word N...1. The Nagaland name is derived from Ahom word Noka... meaning pierced ear. Most Naga people used to have this practice in 12-13th Century. This is one common mistake people make when they associate Nagaland with Naga.<br />2. Please look at Shiva's depiction. He is having mated hair from where Gangaa appears and he has snakes around his neck. The mated hair is depicting Himalaya & thereby indicating Naga were inhabiting regions around Himalaya primarily.<br />3. Naga were also cave / tunnel dwellers .... may be an adoption in earlier days.<br />4. SheshNag has been also identified with "Balance (shesha or remainder) of energy".<br />5. The Naga could also be like a specific group of people like Manush (descendant of Manu), Danava etc. But they were genetically compatible... otherwise they could never produce an fertile offspring. Union of Genetically incompatible animals will either produce no offspring ... or even if they could, the offspring will be sterile.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866063493849159930noreply@blogger.com