tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post2330767635074973880..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Swat river valley – the region of Rama’s ancestors!Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-55988244010501456452021-06-23T14:44:24.694+05:302021-06-23T14:44:24.694+05:30Dear Ms. Jaysree,
Very well researched article. I ...Dear Ms. Jaysree,<br />Very well researched article. I would like to mention that the name of river Ikshumati is mentioned in the Mahabharata also, in Adi parva, When sage Utanka goes to Takshak's land in search of the ear ring stolen by him, Utanka tries to praise him and describes that, Takshak used to stay on the bank of Ikshumati. But the place mentioned here is Kurukshetra. Subrata Bhattacharyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313873091120596788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-41168810070679578272020-02-05T10:20:04.917+05:302020-02-05T10:20:04.917+05:30Dear Ms. Jayasree,
I read your article and it corr...Dear Ms. Jayasree,<br />I read your article and it corresponds well with my current research. I am actually writing a book on GAUR Kshatriyas who were Ikshvaku vanshi, descendents of Bharat and his sons Taksh and Pushkal. Infact the name GAUR has a connection with River Ikshumati and River Gauri (current Panjkora). Would you happen to have any knowledge on this subject. <br />This comment is almost after 2 years of your article, so hope I do get a response.<br />regards,<br />Akshay SinghAkshayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15400176946901731015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-14310407132282806222017-11-15T18:07:10.711+05:302017-11-15T18:07:10.711+05:30Dear all,
Posted the next article as a continuat...Dear all, <br /><br />Posted the next article as a continuation of the above one. It is titled 'What is common between Ukrainians and Cholas of South India?". https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2017/11/what-is-common-between-ukranians-and.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-83125454261210593482017-11-15T18:04:57.612+05:302017-11-15T18:04:57.612+05:30Thanks for your comment Mr Saranathan.
Valmiki d...Thanks for your comment Mr Saranathan. <br /><br />Valmiki does mention Sarasvati on Bharata's return journey, but the location is not concurrent with the current perception of the river's location. In my upcoming paper to be presented in Swadeshi Indology conference, I am tracing the route and origins of Sarasvati at a region based on some inputs. That location concurs with Valmiki's mention of Sarasvati. I will be writing about Bharata crossing Sarasvati (Valimiki's version) in my upcomimg blog on Sapta sindhu, sapta Sarasvati and sapta Ganga. <br /><br />The journey path taken by Bharata from kekaya to Ayodhya is different and longer. Perhaps he tread a route usable by artillery forces. He crossed sarasvati in that route, whereas the messengers did not cross sarasvati in their horse mounted journey. More over the messengers were just 5 in number while Bharata was accompanied by a huge entourage. <br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-82809272031638992182017-11-15T17:10:54.932+05:302017-11-15T17:10:54.932+05:30It is a treat to read your well-researched article...It is a treat to read your well-researched articles and get inspiration on the antiquity of Sanatana Dharma and our great epics. Out of curiosity, I want to know why Valmiki did not mention about river Saraswati, when, I guess, that river was existing and the messengers should have crossed it to reach Kekaya?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15518425712953026751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-43859780890735335582017-11-14T18:01:45.672+05:302017-11-14T18:01:45.672+05:30Dear Mr Chakraborty.
I have not read the book by ...Dear Mr Chakraborty.<br /><br />I have not read the book by Talagari (incidentally his name is derivative of Tamil word Talayari for village chief:)) but read internet sources on Zoroastrian issue. I am of the opinion that Zarathustra was a clan of Jarasandha who moved to west. In a particular chapter in Mahabharata on Krishna detailing the circumstances that forced him and his people to move out of Mathura to Dvaraka, he mentions lot of movement of people to the west, some of whom having allegiance to Jarasandha. They were basically of the Bhoja clan but were pitted against each other. Finally after Mahabharata war they were all pushed out beyond Indus region, beyond today's Pakistani borders. <br /><br />The constant clash they had with others mentioned by Krishna could perhaps be the Deva- asura clash in which the opponents (having allegiance to Jarasandha) regarded themselves as Deva and those opposed to Jarasandha as asuras. I am yet go deeper into these, but before that I have decipher other basics - like sapta sindhu (Hapta Hendu). I will be shortly posting a research article on that. My next article (to be posted by tonight) is part 2 of the above article. After that I will write about sapta sindhu. You will be surprised to know that Sindhu is not alone in that identity, there was Sapta Sarasvati and Sapta Ganga too. When we understand the basics of sapta - of other sacred rivers, we will know better what this Sapta sindhu is! Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-66846904204052660472017-11-14T17:31:40.556+05:302017-11-14T17:31:40.556+05:30Dear Madam,
I guess Srikant Talageri had written ...Dear Madam,<br /><br />I guess Srikant Talageri had written on this issue. He probably suggested (I am writing from memory and may be incorrect here) that the inhabitants of Iran actually moved out from Punjab / India. The Hapta-Hendu description probably points out that. Also Zend Avesta has some similarity with late Rigvedic language, showing that the separation came quite late.<br /><br />regards<br /><br />ChakrabortyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866063493849159930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-78409013000530776382017-11-14T17:27:38.995+05:302017-11-14T17:27:38.995+05:30Dear Mr Chakraborty.
Please note I have written a...Dear Mr Chakraborty.<br /><br />Please note I have written about Ikshu as sugarcane in the penultimate paragraph. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-78794094688052541172017-11-14T17:25:58.094+05:302017-11-14T17:25:58.094+05:30Thank you Mr rk for sharing your views.
Things ha...Thank you Mr rk for sharing your views.<br /><br />Things have not changed much. People are still pushing AIT or AMT. Recently as a few days ago an article appeared in Ancient Origins, on who is an Aryan. You will find no connection to Indian source in that article. http://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/true-aryans-who-were-they-really-and-how-were-their-origins-corrupted-009075<br />They talk everything about Iran and Zoroastrianism to decode Arya or the movement of people, but not about India. <br /><br />The region of Kekaya and Balkh forming BMAC is presently the region of interest for people like Witzel and Parpola who propose a theory that it was the previous stop of Aryans before coming to India. So there is need to refute those theories. Mine is a small contribution towards that and I have to insert the idea wherever applicable that there was no Aryan movement from there. <br /><br />Persia was not occupied by Vedic people. The Vedic outcasts went over there. The basic reasoning is this: Any movement is auspicious clockwise. Many who entered Sarasvati through Arabian sea went upto Jhelum river along the flow of the river. From there it was clockwise movement only. Turn east and south but not west. Persia was originally known as Parashwa meaning left sided. Vedic people wont go on the left side. Only those who were censured were made to go to the left side - in the anti-clockwise direction. Druhyu and Anu were sent out that way. Sibi was a descendant of Anu who led a Vedic life. His sons were Madra and Kekaya. They expanded northward and not westward. Beyond the western boundaries of Akhand Bharat, the Vediks did not go. Iran, Persia are in that left handed region. The resemblance to Vedic life is there, due to their previous roots in Vedic Bharat. It degenerated in course of time.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-90053807821414666652017-11-14T09:10:54.133+05:302017-11-14T09:10:54.133+05:30Dear Madam,
Yes, I agree. BTW, Ikshu also means...Dear Madam,<br /><br />Yes, I agree. BTW, Ikshu also means sugarcane. At least in Sanskrit and in my language.<br /><br />regards<br /><br /><br />ChakrabortyUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866063493849159930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-4666393749867769712017-11-14T08:39:03.047+05:302017-11-14T08:39:03.047+05:30As usual, a very well researched article. Thank yo...As usual, a very well researched article. Thank you Madam. My opinion? Bharatha Varsha extended up to Persia ( Iran) and there was an established Sanatana Dharmic way of life in all these places. Afghanistan was part and parcel of India at one time and it should not be considered as a "Foreign land". People all practiced our Dharmic way of life from time immemorial there, like people in rest of India. Put it simply, they were all Hindu INDIANS in their country called India now. We should not defend and say that there was migration of Vedic culture in these places, as they were all part and parcel of our nation. Of course there were migration of Vedic people and their culture further from our border in Persia and probably well into Europe. But your research blows out Aryan invasion/migration theory to smithereens. Bottom line: No Aryan invasion to India or migration of the so called Aryan RACE. Dr Rama Krishnan https://www.blogger.com/profile/04495199378441276851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-76429132033111769992017-11-13T18:41:29.197+05:302017-11-13T18:41:29.197+05:30Dear Mr Chakraborty,
Amu Darya was known as Caksh...Dear Mr Chakraborty,<br /><br />Amu Darya was known as Cakshus or vaksh, It is further north of Balkh / Bahlika. Ramayana description of Ikshumati comes between Balkh and Panchala. The major river in that region is Swat. This is further reinforced by Huen Tsang's chronicles. So I can say with certainty that Amu darya was not Ikshumati. <br /><br />So far I have not located Kekaya. In Ramayana description, after crossing Balkh, one has to cross a river to reach a major highway. Kekaya capital lies on that highway. Amu Darya fits within the description of that river. On return journey there is a mention of an east flowing river but Amu darya is west flowing. I am not sure if it is flowing eastward at some stretch. I have to depend on wikipedia sources only and they are scanty. Till I get more inputs, I am not touching on Amu Darya. <br /><br />On Hasti, the Hittite also seem to be derivative / corruption of the word Hasti. Hasti > Hatti > Hittite. <br /><br /><br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-82060765123706972552017-11-13T17:34:50.297+05:302017-11-13T17:34:50.297+05:30Dear Madam,
As usual, good write up.
My first ...Dear Madam,<br /><br />As usual, good write up. <br /><br />My first thought upon mention of Ikshumati River was --- Is it the River Oxus / Amu Darya ?<br />Obviously, the Greeks might have had exposure to original Sanskrit name. Later I found that the the Oxus probably comes from Vaksu / Yaksha. <br /><br />Anyway, thanks for the write up. Kekaya on that region was known. But was unaware of Hasti part. BTW, Athena also means Hastina.<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Chakraborty Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866063493849159930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-2706137907686497272017-11-12T17:28:45.008+05:302017-11-12T17:28:45.008+05:30Thanks for your appreciation @decefriteen.
I kno...Thanks for your appreciation @decefriteen. <br /><br />I know about this (Hanuman like) structure in central America, but have not studied. I used to think that this figure resembles the architecture that we find generally in South American civilisations, most of which resemble Hindu myths and characters. For example the Olmec figures are like Yakshas of Hindu architecture. The Honduras Hanuman also looks closer to that. Check out for the figures in my article on Long ear culture here https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/12/long-ear-culture-from-india-to_3160.html<br /><br />Mr Dale Drinnon who used to post some of my articles in his blog, says that there is a festival called 'Rama' celebrated in Peru. How Muslims erased old history of Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Spaniards erased all signs of old history of South American civilisations. Perhaps the surviving Rama festival could give us some clues. Read his blog on this Hanuman in http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.in/2012/01/voyages-of-pyramid-builders.html<br /><br />In my opinion there is greater presence of Hindu past in South American cultures. Some of them I have written in my Tamil blog. If you can read Tamil check out my site on Nov and Dec 2012 blogs: https://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/ <br /><br />Some time when write them in English, I will analyse this Hanuman figure too.<br /><br /><br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-2918383944125451162017-11-12T11:23:41.209+05:302017-11-12T11:23:41.209+05:30Dear Jayasree Madam
As usual, yr articles are well...Dear Jayasree Madam<br />As usual, yr articles are well researched with deep insights and needs us to read a few times to fathom the depth. Pls continue your great journey.<br /><br />I chanced to see a video in a flight on Honduras and am also attaching a link<br /><br />https://www.speakingtree.in/allslides/mystery-of-hanuman-lost-city-of-the-monkey-god-found/119126<br /><br />Have you analysed this landscape and found linkages to Ramayana?decefriteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07793400575151924027noreply@blogger.com