tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post3586844540437786092..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Cosmic egg- Nataraja and Chakratthazhwar in unison!Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-48658423927455045942015-06-10T14:32:39.588+05:302015-06-10T14:32:39.588+05:30dear author i need to know about the natarajan mud...dear author i need to know about the natarajan mudras. i heard that the mudras resembles the atom movements.. is it true?.. pls replyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130033995177419074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-70813084595070833732012-07-22T21:14:13.382+05:302012-07-22T21:14:13.382+05:30Thank you Mataji.
Jai Sree Rama.Thank you Mataji.<br /><br />Jai Sree Rama.Sri Ramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085603947106697465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-32170270818403214722012-07-20T11:22:38.827+05:302012-07-20T11:22:38.827+05:30To express the highest abode parama-padam or Vaiku...To express the highest abode parama-padam or Vaikuntha, in the cognitive figure of Nataraja and creation evolving from the naval of Narayana through four faced Brahma, we can say that salvation ( freedom from the cycle of birth and death) results in the Jivas moving freely (without bondage) in the realm that I have shown in the area of creation zone in the one fourth of the segment shown within the range between Nataraja's two hands - having drum and agni. <br /><br />Paramapadam means leaving this creation zone once for all and getting fixated in Narayana. In the model of creation that I illustrated in the article on Cosmic Krishna with the lotus springing from Narayana's nabhi, salvation lies within the created zone (of four faced Brahma on the lotus), but parama padam is outside that which means in Narayana. That illustration can be seen in that post :- <br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2012/01/cosmic-krishna-in-month-of-maargazhi.html<br /><br />What is being told by this is that Narayana is eternal and infinite. Creation (Lotus - Brahma personification) is only a part of Narayana wherein all the 3 acts of creation, sustenance and destruction happen. The illustrations and explanations in the Tamilhindu article is about these only.<br />The kind of basic activity happening in that zone is understood from the form of Nataraja and his eternal dance. <br /><br />I think I am able to show the subtle difference here between the cosmic realms where creation ( as manifestation) and destruction ( as non manifestation) are happening in 1:4 ratio. Rudran or Nataraja is the personifier of the basis for that. <br /><br />If you see beyond that realm, you see Narayana Only everywhere which personifies the Paramapadam. The 3 astrological yogas that I have explained in that Tamil article shows the difference in attainment of salvation with Srinatha Yoga showing escape from Creation zone. The one who had gone out do not return. Exception is Nammaazwar. Others though freed from karmic cycle would however remain within the zone until Brahma's 100 years get over after which they along with Brahma attain Narayana. <br /><br />That difference is depicted through some illustrations and explanation on Vaikunta Ekadasi and Maha shivarathri. It can be seen and read here. It is in Tamil:- <br /><br />http://www.tamilhindu.com/2010/04/vaikunta-ekadasi-and-mahasivaratri/Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-13992118383285709232012-07-20T10:52:41.150+05:302012-07-20T10:52:41.150+05:30Now the question how they attain formless salvatio...Now the question how they attain formless salvation:-<br />(Verse 251):-<br />“…”One who ‘knows’ Brahman attains the Highest<br />(Tai,II,1)’, ‘He who ‘knows’ Him becomes immortal here<br />(Pu.20)’ and ‘He who ‘knows’ Brahman becomes Brahman<br />(Mu.III,ii,9)’. In the other text qualifying this<br />knowledge, “This atman is attained by one whom He<br />chooses,” the clause ‘whom He chooses’ conveys the<br />idea of the seeker becoming an object of choice to the<br />Bhagavan. He comes to be chosen, who is the object of<br />greatest love. He becomes the object of greatest love<br />to the Lord in whom has arisen supreme love for the<br />Lord. The Bhagavan says, “I am ineffably dear to the<br />man of knowledge and he is also dear to me (Gita,<br />VII,17)’.Therefore in reality, only knowledge that is<br />of the nature of supreme bhakti is the means for<br />attaining Bhagavan.”<br /><br />Note from this writer:-<br />The above conclusion may be seen to be running<br />contrary to a particular school of thought – a<br />reconciliation between which and the one above is<br />being seen as a way to unite Sri vaishnavas (refer<br />Sri Pattangi’s mail on unity efforts). But such<br />discrepancy does not seem to exist (in the very first<br />place) if one takes into cognition the Mumukhuppadi<br />verse (273 –“pEttrukku vEnduvadu –irrakkamaiyum,<br />erappum”) whereby (according to Mamunigal urai) it is<br />maintained that the Lord does NOT eliminate the one<br />who seeks rakshNam by swa-yathnam, even though it is<br />maintained (in verse 231) “avanudaiya sweekAramE<br />rakshakam”. He treats all equal. The difference is<br />only in our mind and mind-set.<br /><br />Similar instance of kripa (call whatever you may) of<br />the Lord is noticed in His grant of Deliverance to<br />those who worship anya devathas (on the basis of the<br />Truth that it is indeed He who is worshipped through<br />them) in verse 7-30 of Gita, writing on which Sri<br />Ramanuja says, “…those others who are now described as<br />knowing Him with Adhibhuta, Adhidaiva and Adhiyajna<br />are to be included among those who will know Him at<br />the time of death.”<br /><br />And in the verse 8-5 of Gita “ And he who at the last<br />moment, while leaving the body, departs, remembering<br />Me alone, attains My Being; of this, there is no<br />doubt.”, it is being explained by Sri Ramanuja, “in<br />whatever way he mediates on Me, he attains that very<br />form, in the same manner as the royal sage Bharatha<br />attained the form of the deer remembered by him at<br />death. Such is the meaning.”<br /><br />Hence Sri Balaji’s query ‘how does the soul attain<br />formless salvation?’ is replied thus: In whatever form<br />(or in formless state) the Brahman is meditated upon,<br />in such a form, the soul attains Him.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-92086287057322735422012-07-20T10:52:31.221+05:302012-07-20T10:52:31.221+05:30Now the question how they (individual souls) attai...Now the question how they (individual souls) attain<br />parama-pada is taken up. (The question, how those who<br />already attained salvation are accomodated does not<br />arise because (1) parama-padam is not what sri Balaji<br />thinks (or most of us think, as evident from the above<br />verse) and (2) as Brahman is beginning-less and<br />eternal, His abode also is beginning-less and eternal<br />and hence the question is out of place.)<br /><br />(vesre 209) :-<br />“ ‘How can all the three supreme ideals, the summum<br />bonum?’ If this be asked, we answer thus; The Lord is<br />primarily the supreme ideal to be attained and<br />therefore He is the parama-pada. The other two are<br />included as constituent factors in the attainment of<br />the Bhagavan. Hence they are designated ‘parama-pada’.<br />The realisation of the individual self of its real<br />nature, through emancipation from the bondage of karma<br />is included in the attainment of the Supreme. The<br />text, ‘These eternal perfections are veiled by evil<br />(Cha. VIII,iii,1)’ intimates that the auspicious<br />attributes of the Bhagavan are veiled from the view of<br />the individual self by its own karma. If it be asked<br />how it is known that the individual’s karma is the<br />evil that conceals the Supreme, we cite the following<br />textual authority: “There is the third power, avidya,<br />called karma, by which power, the all-penetrating<br />power of the individual self is covered up, the<br />individual gets enmeshed in all the persisting<br />afflictions of bondage (Vi,VII, 61-62)’. Even the<br />ascent to the highest abode is included as a factor in<br />the attainment of Bhagavan.”<br /><br />(cont'd)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-60724971387846024652012-07-20T10:51:51.157+05:302012-07-20T10:51:51.157+05:30(Continued from above)
The second part of Sri Bal...(Continued from above)<br /><br />The second part of Sri Balaji’s mail is about the<br />abode of God.<br />His query is as follows:-<br /><br />“vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe<br />with milky ocean which is called as parama padam<br />(highest abode) so called our moksham(<br />> our final destination) what is the situation of<br />those who have already<br /> attained salvation. ? how can they attain<br />formless salvation (bliss)”<br /><br />Let us find the reply from VedArtha Sangraha.<br />First let us know what is Vaikuntham / Parama padam /<br />abode of Vishnu.<br /><br />(Verse 207):-<br />“(Objection): But the terms ‘The supreme abode of<br />vishnu’ need not be taken as referring to any realm.<br />The very nature of Vishnu is represented as the<br />supreme abode. No distinction is made between Vishnu<br />and his realm in texts like, “The highest abode called<br />Vishnu, free from all evil (Vishnu purana, I,xii,<br />53)”.<br />(Reply): This is not the correct position. The texts,<br />‘He who lives beyond this rajas (Ya II,ii,12)’, ‘In<br />fact imperishable highest heavens’, ‘He who is the<br />lord of this, in the highest heavens (Rg.X,cxxix,7)<br />and ‘He who knows that one treasured cavern, in the<br />highest heavens (tai,II,1)’ definitely proclaim the<br />existence of the highest abode. The very description<br />of it as Vishnu’s abode points to the realm as<br />different from Vishnu. Even in the text adduced, the<br />qualification, ‘The highest abode called Vishnu’<br />proves that there is another highest abode, not one in<br />substance with Vishnu. It is this abode that is<br />described as being always seen by the enlightened<br />seers.”<br /><br />(verse 208):-<br />‘The whole matter may be elucidated as follows: in<br />some texts, the highest abode is designated by the<br />term ‘parama-pada’, in some, the nature of the<br />individual self freed from matter, and in some, the<br />very nature of Bhagavan is designated ‘parama-pada’.<br />The text ‘parama-pada’ of Vishnu illustrates the usage<br />in relation to the highest abode. The text “His<br />attribute-less and great ‘parama-pada; undergoes<br />modification, owing to the action of the three<br />attributes of matter, at the periods of creation,<br />maintenance and destruction (Vi. I, xxiii, 41)’<br />clearly speaks of the nature of the individual self<br />freed from matter. The text “free from evil, that<br />parama-pada, called Vishnu (Vi, I, xxii, 53)’ is<br />speaking of the nature of Bahgavan. Now all these<br />three, (the highest realm, the pure status of the<br />individual and the Lord) are the supreme ideals to be<br />attained. Hence they are described as parama-pada.”<br /><br />(cont'd)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-56494303689826876942012-07-20T10:46:11.323+05:302012-07-20T10:46:11.323+05:30Dear Mr Srirama,
I have not yet posted articles ...Dear Mr Srirama, <br /><br />I have not yet posted articles on the said topics in this blogspot. <br />But I have written them in the past in yahoo groups and other sites. <br /><br />Aliens are not like how its is depicted in movies or expected or imagined by the scientists. Any aline will be a Jiva. The fourth and final state of manifestation after plant, animal and man is Deva. If at all a being other than human exists or sighted, it is Deva manifest in a form desired by it. This is the notion we get from Hindu Thought on aliens. At many places in my articles I would have made a fleeting reference to this.<br /><br />If you want to read a specific article on the realm where the jivas move about,you may read this:- <br /><br />(This is in Tamil)<br /><br />http://www.tamilhindu.com/2010/02/creation-theory-2/<br /><br />On Vaikuntha or paramapada, I wrote in a yahoo group in 2004, in the course of answering 3 questions raised by a devotee.<br /><br />My replies to each questions are in these links. <br /><br />Q-1 :- Why the formless deity is expressed in so many forms?<br /><br />http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/message/4136 <br /><br />Q-2:- Where is Vaikuntham or place of Moksham? How could jivas attain formless salvation? <br /><br />http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/message/4144<br /><br />Q-3 :- Does athma have eyes? Can we see God?<br /><br />http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/message/4138<br /><br />The last answer was rewritten in this blogspot in <br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2008/06/can-we-see-god.html<br /><br />All these questions have answers in Vedartha Sangraha written by Srimad Ramanuja. It has the essence of Vedas. It is a small book available in Ramakrishna Mutt or any book store selling oriental books.<br /><br />Since I have a doubt whether the yahoo group site can be accessed by non members, I am re producing my reply for the 2nd question on Vaikuntha here. Actually I wanted to write them in common man's language in this blogspot, that is why I wrote at the end of the above article that I will write such issues. But until now I could write it. So reproducing here the write-up written in the yahoo group. It will be more academic.<br /><br />(cont'd)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-79205047489841367562012-07-20T09:52:27.255+05:302012-07-20T09:52:27.255+05:30//It would be good to know what is the basis for t...//It would be good to know what is the basis for these interpretations - which Sukta or Updanishad or which Mandala / Chapter of which Veda.//<br /><br />Read this post:-<br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2008/05/shiva-vishnu-at-chidambaram-cosmic.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-32076362299369801742012-07-18T23:13:56.255+05:302012-07-18T23:13:56.255+05:30Namaskaram. It would be good to know what is the b...Namaskaram. It would be good to know what is the basis for these interpretations - which Sukta or Updanishad or which Mandala / Chapter of which Veda. <br /><br />With my humble knowledge, I would say that Hiranya Garbha is the primordial state of the universe before the Big Bang and that the verses found in Hiranya Garbha Suktha and Naasadeeya Suktha in fact describe the state of this universe before and during the time of Big Bang (or the first moment when Creation started)<br /><br />In Bramha Suktha, there is a sentence that says "Anthariksham Vishwaroopam Aavishath" which ccan be interpreted as "space transformed itself into this universe". You may recall that Chidambaram, where Lord Nataraja rules over the Chittrambalam, the Sthalam is also referred to as "Aakaasha Sthalam" among the Pancha Bhootha Sthalams. Thus Lord Shiva, in the manifestation of SPACE, transforms himself into this Universe. <br /><br />SPACE is the primary element from which everything else begins - as stated in Brahma Suktham and as evidenced by Einstein's Theory of Relativity (though Einstein names it as "Space-Time"). <br /><br />When Shiva (Space) remains static - he is in the unmanifest form - Aakaasha Roopam and when he begins his "cosmic dance" as Nataraja, this is when creation starts and the cosmos begins to manifest itself. <br /><br />All these coincide perfectly well with the currently known theories and facts. <br /><br />It would be interesting to have more discussions on this topic. Thanks to you for posting these detailed descriptions.Sanathana Dharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00267682742834724364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-2799905731664213592012-07-16T21:43:27.867+05:302012-07-16T21:43:27.867+05:30Mam,
Was there an article which explains "I ...Mam,<br /><br />Was there an article which explains "I will continue in a future post about the possibilities inferred from such a cosmos on the existence of aliens in our system and what would happen to Released souls and where the realm of Vaikuntha exists."<br /><br />I am more interested to find out what would happen to Released souls and <b>where the realm of Vaikuntha exists</b>. Any insight will be very beneficial.<br /><br />Jai Sri Rama.Sri Ramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08085603947106697465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-11525420962332018322008-05-11T13:10:00.000+05:302008-05-11T13:10:00.000+05:30Dear Jeeva,Yes there are philosophical explanation...Dear Jeeva,<BR/>Yes there are philosophical explanations. Some are available in Upanishads. I didnt include those explanations in this post. I will write them separately.<BR/>The current post is my inference from texts of what could be the nature of the cosmos and the way it behaves. <BR/><BR/>I will continue in a future post about the possibilities inferred from such a cosmos on the existence of aliens in our system and what would happen to Released souls and where the realm of Vaikuntha exists.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-72939780261115146112008-05-10T18:47:00.000+05:302008-05-10T18:47:00.000+05:30Thanks for the post Madam.Have not read it fully y...Thanks for the post Madam.<BR/>Have not read it fully yet, but will do that.<BR/>BTW, i had a thought and wanted to check with you if there is a comparison between the circles you have described and that of the koshas or the inner sheaths!<BR/>Thanks again,<BR/>Jeevajeevagvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02747964167117423246noreply@blogger.com