tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post4057888604869995224..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Valmiki of Ramayana knew Tamil! (Spoken language of ancient India - part 1)Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-71233954966777887042020-09-10T14:35:17.758+05:302020-09-10T14:35:17.758+05:30Valmiki lived 7000 yrs ago ( ramars birth date ) ....Valmiki lived 7000 yrs ago ( ramars birth date ) .that is said by you . He attends the sangam meeting held at madurai . And for your kind knowledge I say it is the third sangam meeting . In tamil language there are evidences for 3 sangam meetings. Valmiki only attended the third meeting held by the then pandya king at madurai .the first and the second sangam meetings were held in "kumari Kandam" which were killed by the tsunami . So tamil is the oldest language in the world<br /> My name is kavi prakash and I'm from tnAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11388544849257844745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-41251471337859801502020-04-12T11:43:24.401+05:302020-04-12T11:43:24.401+05:30I heard that hanuman was not a monkey. But a south...I heard that hanuman was not a monkey. But a south indian. Tamil people helped Ram to fight against Ravanan. Somebody changed the history and described all south indian people as monkeys. Heard this from Sadhguru. Have u ever red about this in any tamil poem. Of course they might have changed sanskrit versions of Ramayanam.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/p2b4MP7k5sI<br />Santhoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10245627013611448402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-70279040630721456772019-10-01T10:15:36.146+05:302019-10-01T10:15:36.146+05:30@ Unknown,
I found your above stated view as a co...@ Unknown,<br /><br />I found your above stated view as a comment to my comment to Mr Manoj Kumar written on January 7, 2016 at 1:25 PM.<br /><br />You must have read the two links I have given to Mr Manoj Kumar to see how I have recognized Sri Narayana Iyengar and his contribution at appropriate places. The current article above does not offer scope to recognise him. <br /><br />Please read the comment thread and my replies before jumping into conclusions.<br /><br />I as a researcher holding University Doctorate degree and as one finding often my articles and contents of my blogs getting hijacked and used without due credit to me, know what it means not to cite the sources. In my books and papers, I do the citation in formal ways, but in blogs as in-liners. <br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-35032470654532431462019-10-01T08:29:28.756+05:302019-10-01T08:29:28.756+05:30Dear Jayasree Saranathan, your detailed work is gr...Dear Jayasree Saranathan, your detailed work is great. These are great postings.<br /><br />You should also quote and acknowledge your references clearly in your main post instead of in comments. It will only help to substantiate your claims.<br /><br />Narayana Iyengar who worked in the Madurai TamilSangam wrote a detailed paper on "Valmiki and Tamil" around 1910 giving great research details of why he thinks Valmiki, Rama Sita and all knew and spoke Tamil. A translation of that work can be found at<br /><br />http://tashindu.blogspot.com/2006/12/valmiki-and-tamil.html?m=1<br /><br />His works find a small mention in some comments here instead of being in the main post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07143900403202104295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-89297478543887733312018-04-24T20:41:05.357+05:302018-04-24T20:41:05.357+05:30@ Josh,
Added the list of other articles posted ...@ Josh, <br /><br />Added the list of other articles posted so far in this series, in the beginning of this article. You can identify the three articles I mentioned in that list. Also read the 8th part which can be tested by scientific tools.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-8093565852871457872018-04-24T15:15:13.497+05:302018-04-24T15:15:13.497+05:30For the benefit of old readers of this article: pl...For the benefit of old readers of this article: please find attached the verses in Tamil at the end of the article from "Bogar 7000". I have added them now. They are about Valmiki's birth and end. The same information is also found in another work called 'Agatthiyar 12,000' authored by Agastya. Bogar quotes from that text. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-12182128259842314532018-04-24T15:05:58.381+05:302018-04-24T15:05:58.381+05:30Be specific, if as you say want to be objective. B...Be specific, if as you say want to be objective. But read the other articles, particularly those numbered 3,4, and 5 before commenting. That would save my time in writing what is already written. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-25856598100831527652018-04-24T14:37:49.183+05:302018-04-24T14:37:49.183+05:30We will see the clues for Tamil as the Manushya Bh...We will see the clues for Tamil as the Manushya Bhasha of that time in the next article.<br /><br />Clues = hints!!!<br /><br />I would like to just point that but I never ever wanna 'hurt' anyone's feelings and try to be objective as much as possible. I believe this is relevant to what you posted and also commented ( control F clue). I am neither against you nor supporting you. Just here for a discussion. I also do not support any agendas or languages or isms FYI. Regards, JoeJoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191352209514641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-2410994645878484692018-04-24T13:49:13.186+05:302018-04-24T13:49:13.186+05:30Hi Joe,
Your comment has no relevance to the abov...Hi Joe,<br /><br />Your comment has no relevance to the above post. If this is the level of academia you insist upon, I understand where you stand! Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-74609510832744098142018-04-24T10:18:34.645+05:302018-04-24T10:18:34.645+05:30Hi Jay,
Hints can not be taken as evidence to pro...Hi Jay,<br /><br />Hints can not be taken as evidence to prove. Hints only suggest in academia. So should we use just evidence and peer reviewed recent evidences to establish a point? Otherwise an average Joe would start to consider hints as evidence. To establish a fact, an evidence must be peer-reviewed and no valid counter propositions should exist in place. If Pali is the proto to both Tamil and Sanskrit, we should use solid evidence, not linguistic suggestions. As you said, 'a better chance' , this is not an evidence then but a possibility. Possibility is not probability that is not reality, period!Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191352209514641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-79412102765027849922018-04-23T19:09:58.257+05:302018-04-23T19:09:58.257+05:30Very Good argument, very well supported with liter...Very Good argument, very well supported with literature . Very interesting. I salute you,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-20652285664976461432018-03-29T22:52:09.338+05:302018-03-29T22:52:09.338+05:30@ Mr Shiv,
The yuga system is the much misunders...@ Mr Shiv, <br /><br />The yuga system is the much misunderstood concept. Please read this article of mine in which you will get reply to your question. <br /><br />https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2018/01/divya-and-dharma-two-sides-of-yuga.html<br /><br />There are altogether 4 articles in that series. Better read all, particularly the 4th one to get much clarity. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-84996031306453649492018-03-29T16:16:11.450+05:302018-03-29T16:16:11.450+05:30>>That shows that a common language was spok...>>That shows that a common language was spoken all over India as early as 7000 years ago (Ramayana times). <<<br /><br />How it can be 7000 years only?As per jyotisham Lord Rama yuga was different than it was of Lord Krishna..Shivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641218594568041916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-18951508094063438752017-07-24T16:28:23.997+05:302017-07-24T16:28:23.997+05:30@ Josh,
Please note down here your points of con...@ Josh, <br /><br />Please note down here your points of contention. Do you find this article difficult to understand? <br /><br />This article deals with those areas of information that show that Valmiki of Ramayana, did write in Tamil and did move around the region which is Tamilnadu today. <br /><br />There are many hints to prove that Tamil and sanskrit were co-born, or were derived from a proto language. All those were not written in this article. The Prakrith languages (Maharashtri, Sairaseni, Magadhi and Paisachi) were derived from Sanskrit and were not proto to sanskrit. There is one language that stands a better chance to be identified as the proto language from which both Tamil and sanskrit were diverged. That is Pali. Read my article https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2017/06/6-pazhi-pali-magadha-shaka-dweepa.html<br /><br />The 3rd part of the current article gives more proof on how and why Tamil can be considered to be the Manushya Basha at Ramayana times. Read it here :- http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2013/04/hanuman-and-sita-conversed-in-madhura.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-49364254397699773722017-07-23T22:53:07.421+05:302017-07-23T22:53:07.421+05:30Before you deduce Manushya Bhasha is Tamil, you sh...Before you deduce Manushya Bhasha is Tamil, you should rule out other existing languages such as Prakrit. I did not see any attempts on that. If there is nothing, it is jumping to a conclusion then, not coherent. Also, the translators skill is sub-standard as English is not his first language, many expressions are copied word by word or similar. A good example would be ' at a different wave length', I suppose, which has a meaning ' a different opinion. If that is what you wanted, there are still more errors in collocation apart from grammar errors. But all in all I know where you are coming from but you should maintain the logic throughout. Sometimes You lost me and I believe it is due to the translation. I know the purpose is not pure grammar but the content. I agree that your knowledge is profound but you should consider not all readers are Tamilians so I hope you would write more proactively by logically answering the counter-arguments if they come across. Best, Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191352209514641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-20523601823328166692016-08-28T19:53:13.757+05:302016-08-28T19:53:13.757+05:30Part 2 of this series can be read here:- http://ja...Part 2 of this series can be read here:- http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/04/tamil-was-human-tongue-or-manushya.html (Tamil was the human tongue or Manushya bhasha (Spoken language of ancient India -part 2))<br /><br />Part 3 can be read here:- http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/04/hanuman-and-sita-conversed-in-madhura.html (Hanuman and Sita conversed in Madhura language (Spoken language of ancient India –part 3))<br /><br />Part 4 yet to be posted. Will give the link once posted.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-66587410659227042372016-04-10T08:52:57.292+05:302016-04-10T08:52:57.292+05:30Please read the following book
Shodasi : Secrets...Please read the following book<br /> <br />Shodasi : Secrets of the Ramayana<br />Author : Seshendra Sharma<br /><br />for reviews and other details :<br />www.facebook.com/shodasi/<br />Thanks / RegardsSaatyaki S / o Seshendra Sharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00887279200790561271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-48243440200467544732016-01-07T13:25:04.974+05:302016-01-07T13:25:04.974+05:30@ Manoj Kumar
My first clue is from Sri Narayana ...@ Manoj Kumar<br /><br />My first clue is from Sri Narayana Iyengar. I wrote here: http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2010/01/purananuru-contains-vaalmikis-tamil.html<br /><br />I picked up further by analysing Valmiki Ramayana. In this connection I have written quite a few articles in this blog of which I request the readers not to miss this: http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/04/hanuman-and-sita-conversed-in-madhura.html Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-10586642572639272602016-01-06T22:34:24.172+05:302016-01-06T22:34:24.172+05:30http://tashindu.blogspot.in/2006/12/valmiki-and-ta...http://tashindu.blogspot.in/2006/12/valmiki-and-tamil.htmlManoj Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03429103099212915739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-83263286550533885192014-03-21T19:32:48.453+05:302014-03-21T19:32:48.453+05:30@ Agath
Here are the answers:-
(1) Refer my articl...@ Agath<br />Here are the answers:-<br />(1) Refer my articles to know about yuga duration.<br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2011/01/on-yuga-classification-and-what-causes.html<br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2009/07/did-rama-rule-for-11000-years.html<br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2008/04/rama-in-treta-yuga-yuga-is-defined-on.html<br /><br />(2) Sanskrit and Tamil coexisted for long. Sanskrit was refined long long ago say, the oldest decipherable time in 25,000 yrs BP. Tamil was the spoken language of the masses that was spread across Indian ocean and Pacific ocean. The following articles on the topic of long ears would give an idea about how Tamil and Vedic society were part and parcel of a whole lot of masses over a vast area - not in India but south and south east of India.<br /><br />http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2013/12/long-ear-culture-from-india-to_729.html<br /><br />This is a 3 part article, links to other parts are given in that article itself. This article is in my Tamil blog. Please go through the archives of that blog to read article related to your question.<br /><br />(3)I did not say that Sanskrit was refined from existing languages. <br /><br />Read this article in that blogspot:<br />http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2011/08/66.html<br /><br />(4)(a)no<br />(b)Yes, but today that Tamil does not exist in talk or present day literature.<br />(c)Not exactly. But they identified Thamizagam in Navalam theevu or as a country between himalayas in the north<br />(d)yes<br /><br />Read the other 2 articles in this series (part 2 and 3)<br /><br />Next week I will be posting a 10 part series on mundas. It will give more info on the past where Tamil and Sanskrit co-exited and even fused. Please keep checking.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-19013340484084260932014-03-21T16:53:13.725+05:302014-03-21T16:53:13.725+05:30Madam,
A few questions....
1. If Ramayana happen...Madam,<br /><br />A few questions....<br /><br />1. If Ramayana happened recently like you mentioned, what about the duration of Yugaas? I've studied that each yuga lasted for lakhs of years, but going by what you say I believe it's only in thousands. What should one believe?<br /><br />2. Tamil Chauvinists claim that most of the Sanskrit words have been borrowed from Tamil unlike vice versa that's being claimed. What's your take on this?<br /><br />3. Going by your statement of sansrit as a language that's refined from other existing languages, when did this approximately happen?<br /><br />4. Do you really think can language really define race? As the pro-tamils are claiming, did all Tamils speak the same language for thousands of years in the history? Did our ancestors ever identify themselves as Tamils in the past? I believe only native place and kulam were used as entities for one's identity in the past. Is that true?agathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667140428990103282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-31014184633426746572013-07-20T23:20:39.529+05:302013-07-20T23:20:39.529+05:30You are doing a great service to the nation throug...You are doing a great service to the nation through your blog. I've collected a list of blogs & websites on Ancient India including yours and have displayed them through my blog. Please promote it so that people may reach to the maximum contents in this valuable genre. <br />It's -<br />http://gloriousindia123.blogspot.in/<br />Ritesh Kumar Gupthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03606863873274380548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-16721352464361974962013-04-22T11:24:16.423+05:302013-04-22T11:24:16.423+05:30Proto-Tamil (some unknown extinct language from wh...Proto-Tamil (some unknown extinct language from which Tamil is derived), Prakrit and Mlechcha language ( Mahabharata mentions this as a dual language, that coexisted with Sanskrit and known to Vidura and Yudhisthira) - all of these seems to be worthy candidates that can be identified with 'Manushy Bhaasha'<br /><br />This assumes that 'Deva Bhaasha' Sanskrit is not a naturally evolved language but a specially designed language created probably by refining Prakrit and with elements from other languages like proto-Tamil and Mlechcha language with its main purpose to sever as an inter-communication language (like today's English) in which all people (proto-Tamils, Prakrit speakers, Mlecha speakers) conversed, exchanged ideas and authored literature. The name 'Sanskrt' itself shows that it was the result of a refinement of a pre-existing language.Jijithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11863600917277312849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-87789759795319504802013-04-14T00:46:17.484+05:302013-04-14T00:46:17.484+05:30madam,
Tamil is said to be manusya basha the...madam,<br /><br /> Tamil is said to be manusya basha then which is deva basha i mean divne basha? is it sanskrit ?if so tamil does not have divinity to be the language of god's?<br /> <br /> with regards<br /><br /> Arunpradhap NatarajanArunpradhap Natarajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11674801232056819207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-37437949224628519692013-04-12T11:27:02.043+05:302013-04-12T11:27:02.043+05:30Thank you, but wait, there are other articles to c...Thank you, but wait, there are other articles to come. Originals in Tamil were posted in 2011 and can be read at <br />http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2011/08/66.html<br /><br />regards, <br />Jayasree<br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.com