tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post6756626605067412347..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Did Rama rule for 11,000 years?Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-66044962984192680522021-08-03T20:43:02.216+05:302021-08-03T20:43:02.216+05:30Excellent.Excellent.Chhandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10179976865096615402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-71570022500323643202021-05-20T14:23:01.589+05:302021-05-20T14:23:01.589+05:30@ Raghuraman,
Few kings are said to have done 10...@ Raghuraman, <br /><br />Few kings are said to have done 100 Ashwamedha yajna. We don't know whether they were expressed in the same way as how Rama was said to have lived for 11000 years. <br /><br />In understanding the texts, we must apply discriminatory sense of perception on human life endurance. Siddhas are said to have lived for 100s of years, in meditation, in secluded places but none reported in material life. <br /><br />The Yuga nature has been explained by me in detail. Refer the articles starting from this http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2021/03/yuga-computation-took-place-only-after.html (series) <br />and this http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2018/01/divya-and-dharma-two-sides-of-yuga.html (4 part series)<br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-76701462024036801742021-05-19T21:33:30.861+05:302021-05-19T21:33:30.861+05:30Pranams! Madam, all your postings are very good an...Pranams! Madam, all your postings are very good and I feel time is relative to each yuga and<br />it is not absolute thing. It differs for each yuga. Many kings in solar dynasty performed <br />99 or 100 Aswamedayagas. It is told that each Aswameda takes around one samvatsara or year.Aswameda yagas are not performed without break. So if we take 99 aswameda yagas performed<br />by Dhileepa we need to interprest in the life span of many thousand years 100 years were spent<br />on Aswameda yaga. so life span is more in previous yuga on different scales of time. <br />i thing this appeals to logic. Most of the happenings in other yugas are not documented in <br />detail. Bagavatham says in kali human beings will be endowed with 'mandha mathi' and alpha<br />bagyam'. <br />I have been searching for who was king Raghu's wife ie Aja's mother in Raghu vamsam. If <br />there is an answer I will be happy and thankful...<br /> Raghuraman...<br /><br /> Raghuramanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16232266009418362289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-57078459379747197282021-02-21T22:42:51.868+05:302021-02-21T22:42:51.868+05:30There is something called reality, such as man can...There is something called reality, such as man can't pass through wall, dog can't have 6 legs and so on.<br />ankitkhoodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13573631046676511176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-51516718701257877232021-02-21T22:40:39.974+05:302021-02-21T22:40:39.974+05:30As she said, it were the dharma expounded by इक्ष्...As she said, it were the dharma expounded by इक्ष्वाकु dynasty that was followes in across the landmass (which would mean subcontinent). इक्ष्वाकु law, not state was spread throughout. There may b poetic exaggeration too. ankitkhoodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13573631046676511176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-20232354243129773932021-02-21T12:46:12.322+05:302021-02-21T12:46:12.322+05:30🙏👌🙏👌Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047126262705690784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-91130516960416219572020-07-13T19:26:40.781+05:302020-07-13T19:26:40.781+05:30@ Unknown (I wish people identity themselves)
Ple...@ Unknown (I wish people identity themselves)<br /><br />Please read the relevant verses to get the facts right.<br /><br />Or read my blog where I have given the relevant verses from Valmiki <br />https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2010/10/rama-lived-7000-years-ago.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-18839275113482570132020-07-12T11:34:39.351+05:302020-07-12T11:34:39.351+05:30Mam can u please solve the age problem of rama?
...Mam can u please solve the age problem of rama? <br /><br /> It is really fascinating how you, saroj bala ji, and puskar bhatnagar ji took out the birth date of rama in 10th january 5114 B. C. When all the planetry positions were matching but mam the problem I am facing is that saroj bala ji and pushkar ji corrabarted the astrnomical observations as told by Dashratha just a day before rama was going to be crowned that was 5089 B. C. But the next day everything changed and rama had to leave for forest now according to pushkad and saroja bala ji<br /><br />5114-5089=25 <br /><br />So rama was 25 years old when he left for exile of 14 years but ACCORDING TO VALMIKI RAMAYAN WHEN SITA WAS TELLING ABOUT HER SUFFERINGS when she was captured in ashoka vatika SHE SAID THAT WHEN SHE WAS MARRIED RAMA WAS 25 YEARS OLD AND SITA 18 YEARS OLD AND SHE HAPPILY LIVEN IN AYODHYA FOR 13 YEARS!!!! AND THEN SHE LEFT FOR VANVASA IN THE STARTING OF 13TH YEAR THAT MEANS SITA WOULD HAVE BEEN<br />18+13= 31 YEARS OLD<br />AND RAMA<br />25+13= 38 YEARS OLD <br /><br />BUT ACCORDING TO pushkar and saroj bala ji RAMA LEFT IN 5089 B. C. THAT MEANS RAMA WAS ONLY 25 YEARS OLD WHEN HE LEFT FOR VANVASA BUT ACCORDING TO VALMIKI RAMA SHOULD BE 38 YEARS OLD<br /><br />Please solve this problem I am reay confused🙏🙏🙏Pratham/ प्रथम/𑀧𑁆𑀭𑀣𑀫𑁆https://www.blogger.com/profile/03959591186035650711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-11726536020806717982020-04-22T09:52:58.541+05:302020-04-22T09:52:58.541+05:30She asked ram to go on vanvas for 14 years. so tha...She asked ram to go on vanvas for 14 years. so that Barath can became the king and get his full control over the kindomAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13762956335210092475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-58018600398095441352020-04-22T09:48:09.414+05:302020-04-22T09:48:09.414+05:30Not entire earth is under the rule of dashrath,so ...Not entire earth is under the rule of dashrath,so when the lord ram became the king he has started Ashwamedha yagam..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13762956335210092475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-86367509042545818742017-02-13T16:17:14.251+05:302017-02-13T16:17:14.251+05:30Jayashree, if 11000 yrs is the praiseworthy period...Jayashree, if 11000 yrs is the praiseworthy period of Rama, why does Dasaratha have a comparable timeline of 1000's of years.<br />I have always been confused by time measure in Indian epics,yugs,etc. <br />http://www.slideshare.net/sheoran1/mahabharata-war-827-bce-finally has some interesting arguments, please let me know your thoughts .Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08970939864283898304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-4548138140805384432016-07-27T20:36:37.317+05:302016-07-27T20:36:37.317+05:30Ms Jayasree, I have verified the sloka you have ci...Ms Jayasree, I have verified the sloka you have cited Kavaatam pandyanaam in two different versions. One is from Valmiki Ramayana by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur. In this both original Sanskrit slokas and translation is provided. The other one is from Aaarsha Vijnana Trust, Hyderabad. Both Sanskrit and its translation is telugu is provided. In both versions, I have seen the sloka you have mentioned. The sarga is same, but the number of sloka is different. Now, I realize we have common version that helps us to discuss better. <br /><br />PLEASE REFER YOUR EARLIER COMMENT: <br />(8)For further info on Pandyans as contemporaries of Rama, there exists a inscriptional evidence that Ravana bought peace with a Pandyan king. Sinnamanur copper plates of the Pandyan kings, while tracing the genealogy of Pandyans make a specific reference to an earlier Pandyan (name not mentioned ) to have made Ravana buy peace (refer verse 5 in this link: - http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_3/copper_plates_at_tirukkalar.html )<br /><br />MY COMMENT: TRUE: King Sugriva has made geographical descriptions of Indian kingdoms including Vidharba, Kalinga (Odisha or Orissa), Andhra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala where Sita can be searched. I agree that there were many other kingdoms during Rama's period. Yes, those kings were Rama's contemporaries.<br />OUR DIFFERENCES: Ramayana was also written in regional languages by many subsequent to Valmiki. Sinnamanur copper plates depicting Ravana bringing peace with a Pandyan king might exist. I hope, you are not attributing those copper plates to Rama's or Ravan's period. If yes, it is difficult to prove that the copper plates are of Ravan's period. By all means, those copper plates are of later or recent period. To be sure, there will be a need to test scientifically for its date of inscription.<br /><br />PlEASE ALSO REFER THE FOLLOWING FROM YOUR EARLIER COMMENT. I HAVE MADE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON VANARAS. ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, VANARAS, GOLANGULS, RUKSHYAS, RAKSHASAS, GRADRUS WERE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS EXISTED DURING RAMAYANA PERIOD, PARALLEL TO HUMANS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE HUMANS.<br />I am not trying to influence you through my findings. But my research findings do not agree with yours. Hanuman is typical example of Vanaras. They ate fruits and honey. They had slightly protruding mouth, and a long tail. They were not monkeys, nor they looked like monkeys. Some of them were of the size of mountains. They broke mountain tops and brought elephant sized boulders to build Sethu. They fought with Rakshasas with trees and boulders, and nails. They did not carry any weapons for war with Ravan. some Vanaras had an unusual ability of flying long distances. King Sugriva and some others had an ability of changing their physical form at will.<br />7) This further reiterates that Hanuman and other vanaras were not exotic beings but only human beings in the guise of vanaras. The vanaras were originally kshatriyas who were forced to remain hidden to escape the fury of Parashurama. My research article "Vanaras were human beings in disguise to escape from Parashurama (Mundas – 6)" can be read in the link - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2014/04/vanaras-were-human-beings-in-disguise.htmlM.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-5309097102591973002016-07-27T12:38:32.885+05:302016-07-27T12:38:32.885+05:30Dr Padmanabha Rao,
The verse is not regional. No ...Dr Padmanabha Rao,<br /><br />The verse is not regional. No one dared to interpolate Valmiki Ramayana, particularly those from South India / Tamil lands as Ramayana was considered as Veda Matha who follows Veda purusha.<br /><br />वेद वेद्ये परे पुंसि जाते दशरथात्मजे । <br />वेदःप्रचेतसादासीद् साक्षाद् रामायणात्मना ॥ <br /><br />veda vedye pare pumsi jate dasharathatmaje | <br />vedah prachetasadasid sakshad ramayanatmana || <br /><br />“When the omni potent omniscient and the Omnipresent Almighty who can be known only through Veda, took birth as a son of Dasharatha, the most precious Veda has been rendered as Ramayana by the sage Prachetasa.(Valmiki).” <br /><br />This is for the information of anyone who doubts the existence of the sloka on Pandyan Kavatam.<br /><br />Kindly check the Gita press edition of Valmiki Ramayana for the sloka on kavatam pandyanaam. The sloka number or chapter number may be different.<br /><br />For your reference I am reproducing the sloka here.<br /><br />19 ततॊ हेममयं दिव्यं मुक्तामणिविभूषितम<br /> युक्तं कवाटं पाण्ड्यानां गता दरक्ष्यथ वानराः<br /><br />It is in chapter 41 of Kishkindha kanda in Valmikiramayan.net <br />The link to the sloka is <br />http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/kish/sarga41/kishkindha_41_frame.htm <br />(check the link for authenticity of the text)<br /><br />The same sloka is in chapter 40 of Kishkindha kanda in sacred texts website<br />The link is <br /> http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rys/rys4040.htm<br /><br />For easy search let me give the first sloka of the chapter in which the pandyanaam sloka comes. It is <br /><br />ततः परस्थाप्य सुग्रीवस तन महद वानरं बलम<br /> दक्षिणां परेषयाम आस वानरान अभिलक्षितान<br /><br />Check this in Gita press book.<br /><br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-5902406493296458612016-07-27T09:05:18.964+05:302016-07-27T09:05:18.964+05:30Ms Jayasree,
Let me clarify certain differences ...Ms Jayasree, <br /><br />Let me clarify certain differences in our views. <br />1 and 2. I hope you agree that Valmiki wrote in Rama Pattabhishek Sarga that Rama ruled for 11,000 years, based on the sloka I cited earlier from Geeta Publication. MY COMMENT: If you consider from his birth till now, he lived over 11,000 years ago. This is simple calculation. <br /><br />3. You agree on the basis of Valmiki Ramayana that the sethu was made by vanaras, Rukshyas etal. MY COMMENT: Practically, Rama did not employ men to build the sethu on sea. Therefore, Nala sethu was not man made.<br /><br />THE FOLLOWING INFERENCES ARE PURELY THEORETICAL ASSUMPTIONS AND DO NOT STAND VALID SCIENTIFICALLY: The assumption that the date of those layers which are within the range of 7000 years and later <br />MY COMMENT: On Nala Sethu, the findings of the GSI and NIOT need to be verified by another expert team of scientists. It is because the samples collected for testing might not be from fossils formed from trees placed by Vanaras, and might be from some other areas of later date. Anyhow, samples need to be collected again from proper sites and tested again for correct results.<br /><br />THE FOLLOWING WORDS ARE ASSUMPTIONS AND DO NOT STAND SCIENTIIC SCRUTINY. AS PHYSICIST WHO REPORTED TEN FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICS DISCOVERIES IN 2010, 2013, and 2015 I EXAMINED THESE WITH UNBIASED VIEW. AS SCIENTIST, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING VIEWS: Around 11000 years before present the sea level was 120 meters lower than now and the naturally available raised land at Sethu was a land mass connecting India with Lanka. That means the land bridge at Sethu existed by itself before 11000 years ago. <br /><br />THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IN YOUR COMMENT IS NOT FACTUAL. IT GOES AGAINST HISTORY OF NALA SETHU: It didn't need anyone to build it at that time. <br /><br />YOU ASKED ME TO VIEW THE FOLLOWING MAPS. I AM NOT SURE WHETHER HE READ AND UNDERSTOOD VALMIKI RAMYANA OR SIMPLY HIS OWN IMAGINATION. ANYHOW, I DO NOT GIVE MUCH IMPORTANCE TO HIS PERSONAL VIEWS, WHEN VALMIKI RAMAYANA PROVIDES THE CLUE ON NALA SETHU. Please check the Inundation maps prepared by Graham Hancock on Indian landmass in this link https://grahamhancock.com/ashcf1/<br /><br />4. Geeta publication of Valmiki Ramayana DID NOT CITE Kavatam Pandiyanaam (VR 4-41-19)? What you said could be from regional version.M.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-40481890866241838132016-07-27T00:40:09.556+05:302016-07-27T00:40:09.556+05:30Dr Padmanabha Rao,
(1) & (2) There is no iss...Dr Padmanabha Rao, <br /><br />(1) & (2) There is no issue on whether we accept Valmiki's Ramayana or not. This and other articles by me are written based on Valmiki Ramayana ONLY, as we take him as the contemporary and hence his version as the authentic one. <br /><br />Nowhere Valmiki says that Rama lived 11,000 years ago, but this was written by you in your comment which I contested.<br /><br />(3) On Nala Sethu, the findings of the GSI and NIOT were submitted to the court to establish the historicity of the place and that it is man-made.<br /><br />Man made means it does not exist in nature. It has been made deliberately be someone. Who is that someone? It was Rama at whose behest the sethu was made by vanaras, Rukshyas etal. For that sake we can't say that it is not man-made. It was made in a planned and deliberate way. That was proved by Dr Badri Narayana team. They also arrived at the date of those layers which are within the range of 7000 years and later. Around 11000 years before present the sea level was 120 meters lower than now and the the naturally available raised land at Sethu was a land mass connecting India with Lanka. That means the land bridge at Sethu existed by itself before 11000 years ago. It didn't need anyone to build it at that time. Please check the Inundation maps prepared by Graham Hancock on Indian landmass in this link https://grahamhancock.com/ashcf1/<br /><br />He didn't create the maps out of fantasy but based on sea level rises and inundation levels around the globe researched by Glenn Milne. The inundation around India are consistent with marine archaeological findings on Kutch and in the west coast at the relevant times and are supported by Tamil sangam narrations in eastern border. <br /><br />(4) Based on Gita press publication, you have accepted that Shugreeva did give instructions on loactions. Did you check whether that publication gave the Valimi Ramayana verse on "Kavatam Pandiyanaam" (VR 4-41-19)? <br /><br />Finally I want to ask you - what is your opinion on the following?<br /><br />(1) On the blessing of "Shatamaanam bhavathi shataayu: purusha:" why Shatayu:? <br /><br />(2) Why ""PashyEma sharada: shatham… jIvEma sharada: shatham" seeking 100 years of ayush in noon time sandhyavandana?<br /><br />(3) Why Sita quoted the adage "एहि जीवन्तम् आनदो नरम् वर्ष शतात् अपि" (VR 5-34-6) Why 100 years linked to man?<br /><br />(4) In the Shanthi vachan "Bhadram karnebhi..." before Vedic invocation what is the ayush given by Devas "Vyashema Devahitaṃ Yadaayuh"? <br /><br />If the expected human life is in 100 units (like the Brahma's life in 100 units) why Maanusha Maatrena Rama (in Mandodari's words in 6-111-5) lived for more than 11,000 years? As a scientist do you think the human cell generation can go on for that long? <br /><br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-19270853063750636192016-07-26T17:36:25.689+05:302016-07-26T17:36:25.689+05:30Ms Jayasree, You do not need to address me as Sir....Ms Jayasree, You do not need to address me as Sir. I am an ordinary man. <br /><br />1. Rama's rule for 11,000 years that I quoted is from Valmiki's Ramayana. My research on Valmiki's Ramayana for many years unfolds that the figure 11,000 years seems to be true.<br /><br />2. Even in physics, theoretical predictions many scientists do. We respect all that but we give credence when we find experimental evidences. ATRIBUTUTING CERTAIN PERIODS LINKED TO PARTICULA EVENTS ARE ALL THEORETICAL PREDICTIONS. AS SCIENTIST I RESPECT OTHERS VIEWS. However, one cannot be sure whether those really took place, and those events took place exactly at that exact period. My research strongly supports what Valmiki reported in Ramayana. Refusing Valmiki Ramayana, giving too much importance to theoretical predictions do not seems to be justified.<br /><br />3. The very basis on existence of road like structure on the sea could be well linked with Nala Sethu. I have given my opinion as scientist some years back in a TV program called Mano Ya Namano. In my opinion and of many others, the road like structure is nothing but Nala Sethu built under the command of chief architect, a Vanara known as Nala. Vanaras were distinct civilizations existed during Ramayana period. I personally appreciate the efforts made by scientists including Dr Badri Narayanan on Nala sethu. Your previous comment under 3. says "somebody appeared to have brought all the boulders and dumped them there." The inference drawn by the team of investigating scientists supports what Valmiki wrote in Ramayana. Vanaras, Golanguls and Rukshyas have broken hill tops from India and brought those elephant sized boulders and placed systematically to fall in a line. They also uprooted 15 types of tress and placed on the boulders. Over that they have placed sand. Ultimately, the landmass created on the sea looked plain road for crossing crores of Vanaras Golanguls and Rukshyas. <br /><br />Valmiki Ramayana only provides unprecedented details on the road from ancient India to Sri lanka on sea. Crores of Vanaras, Golanguls and Rukshyas have built the road just in 5 days under the Command of Crown Prince Rama. You said, "He has established that Sethu bund is man made". CAN YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WHAT IS MEANT BY MAN-MADE? Humans cannot built a road of nearly 60 km long and 5 km wide from Rameswaram to Mannar in Sri lanka on 200 meters deep sea. Then how it could be man made? <br /><br />Two time periods were mentioned by you. One by carbon dating: 3500 years. On the other hand 5800 to 7000 years BP was predicted. Even in physics, we do experiments. All experiments will not give correct results. Rarely, surprise findings can lead to discoveries. Those team of scientists may need to do further investigations to verify whether any fossils of trees are present; and whether time period of those fossils and boulders exceed 11,000 years.<br /><br />4. It is true King Sugriv gave vivid descriptions of land etc to Vanaras as you have mentioned. As he was not sure where Sita was, he asked Vanaras to go in all 4 directions and search for Sita. Accordingly, they searched around Vindhya region and did not find Sita. Ultimately, they landed on a sea shore. There they met Sampati, who saw Sita in Ravan's protected area in ancient Sri Lanka. On his advice, Hanuman has flown southwards towards Sri Lanka via Minaca Hill and found her in Ashoka Vana of Ravan. I did research from Valmiki Ramayana published by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur in UP. The book is available in big Rly stations as well.M.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-12560832234564794192016-07-25T00:28:06.358+05:302016-07-25T00:28:06.358+05:30Respected Sir,
Replying to your comments.
(1) Yo...Respected Sir, <br /><br />Replying to your comments.<br />(1) You have written in the earlier comment that Rama existed more than 11,000 years ago, Please check your comment. No comments for the rest of your opinions in the comment marked 1. <br /><br />(2) It is a geological fact the the last Glacial Maximum occurred between 19K and 23K years before present. After that the Ice age gradually came to an end. The melting of Himalayan glaciers started around 11,500 BCE that led to the breaking of Gangotri later. This means Bhagiratha, the ancestor of Rama came after this period only. Ganges was flowing in Rama's times. It means the period is after de-glaciation of Gangotri started. Therefore the period of flowing of Ganges is important in fixing the date of Ramayana. <br /><br />(3) Please read the interview by Mr Badrinarayanan of the Geological Survey of India. NIOT was involved in carrying out the scientific research on Nala Sethu. This is not a research by any individual but by NIOT and assessed by many other researchers. Carbon dating was also done. In fact Centre for Remote sensing which did the carbon dating ascribes the date of the corals to 3500 years before present only. But Dr Badri Narayanan of GEI has shown how the corals and stuffed materials are found in two layers and how they could not have formed in nature. He has established that Sethu bund is man made but the date could be anytime between 5800 to 7000 years BP. The date does not go beyond that. For your information, all those involved in research of Ramayana are well versed in Valmiki Ramayana. <br /><br />(4)Though my primary reading comes from the transliterated (into tamil) books of Valmiki Ramayana written in 1920s which are in the possession of our family (in fact my ancestors were known for Ramayana kalakshepa), I quoted from the Valmiki Ramayana, Sanskrit to English version available in the internet at www.valmikiramayan.net. Shugreeva gives guidance to vanaras on all the 4 directions which are a valuable source of deciphering the countries of those days. The southward route and countries are given by Shugreeva in chapter 41 of Kishkindha khanda. The link is http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/kish/sarga41/kishkindha_41_frame.htm <br />The same information is there in the transliterated version I have. Meaning to say that there is no interpolation in the internet version. <br />You may check with your Gita Press version. <br /><br /><br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-49094872107350864562016-07-24T15:30:49.628+05:302016-07-24T15:30:49.628+05:30Ms. Jayasree, Thanks to you for your support.
My ...Ms. Jayasree, Thanks to you for your support. <br />My comment: You have used perhaps in saying Ramayana is perhaps the first documented history. That means you are not yet sure what you say. My research work since 45 years unfolds Ramayana was written with an intention mainly to portray Rama’s history. It is the first history of a man. <br /><br />(1) First of all, Rama could not have lived 11,000 years ago, as that was the time of pre-Holocene when Ice Age was still on. <br /> My comment: Rama’s rule for 11,000 years is cited from Valmiki Ramayana. Everyone will doubt how a man could rule or exists for such a long period, when current man hardly lives over 100 yrs, with few exceptions. One should not compare ancient man’s living conditions with that of current humans. For example, many living beings existed thousands of years ago but they do not exist today. Five fossils of Dinosaurs along with their eggs were found in Adilabad District of Andhra Pradesh. One such fossil of Dinosaur was exhibited at Birla Museum at Hyderabad. We have no clue what kind of living being existed in that era. That is why, when Ramayana described Vanaras, Golanguls and Rukshyas have built Nala Sethu between ancient India and Sri Lanka, Vanaras should not be mistaken as monkeys. The longevity of humans and other living beings existed in Ramayana period cannot be imagined or denied comparing with the current living standards. Truly speaking, Ramayana hints on ancient man’s longevity by mentioning Rama’s rule for 11,000 years and King Dasarath longevity of 60,000 years. <br />The rest of the words are all opinions expressed by researchers: as that was the time of pre-Holocene ……with monsoon waters and melting ice. <br />My comment: We respect other’s views. Readers opt the best in course of time. <br /><br />2. So any dating of Rama can happen only after the geological existence of the Ganges. This brings the date of Ganges later to 10,000 years ago when the Himalayan glaciers started melting.<br />My comment: Someone imagined that Himalayan glaciers started melting from 10,000 years. As scientist (physicist), I just wish to know why 10,000 years and why not 8,200 years and 11,800 years etc. How this figure 10,000 arrived at?<br />The cross-checking comes from sea-level rises, which peaked around 7300 years ago. <br />My comment: This is nothing to do with Ramayana period.<br /><br />3. Sethu was originally a raised bund on the sea floor. But a man made structure was raised over that. <br />My comment: I respect both you and Dr Badrinarayanan, a geologist who tested Sethu soil. I wish both of you should have read and referred Nala Sethu in your discussion. Without reading Valmiki Ramayana, the following words of Dr Badrinarayanan did not mean anything: But a man made structure was raised over that. <br />What does he mean by man-made? According to Valmiki Ramayana, Nala Sethu was a road built on deep sea by Vanaras, Golanguls and Rukshyas under the commandership and Crown Prince Rama. Instead of mentioning who actually built the road, Nala Sethu Dr Badrinarayanan used vague words like somebody appeared to have brought all the boulders and dumped them there. This is incomplete study. Aging of rocks can be done by carbon dating and by other advanced techniques. Approximating Nala Sethu’s age either between 5,800 to 5,400 years ago by simple imagination is unacceptable in science. <br /><br />4. Please mention your reference in Valmiki Ramayan published by Geeta Press. Otherwise, please quote complete sloka, sarga and publisher. <br />My comment & Correction: It is Sampati who had an ability to see great distances saw and disclosed that Sita was in Ravan’ lanka. Sugriva did not say, From there they could reach Ravana's Lanka from Mahendra hills! You may be quoting some other version of Ramayana and not Valmiki Ramayana. It seems, you did not read Valmiki Ramayana. Kindly read once and discus again please.M.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-52300723678249849312016-07-24T13:57:28.733+05:302016-07-24T13:57:28.733+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.M.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-72748093192993438332016-07-23T21:16:28.661+05:302016-07-23T21:16:28.661+05:30Dear Ravikiranji,
Sorry I missed out your commen...Dear Ravikiranji, <br /><br />Sorry I missed out your comment and read now only. My thoughts on your views (better late than never):) <br /><br />// 1. If we explain Rama's 11,000 as equal to 31 years (citing Ahoreva samvatsar), we will need to use the same Ahovera calculation for his Vanavasa and childhood. Thus 14 years of Vanavasa would have to be calculated as a few days at the most in Ahovera yardstick!! //<br /><br />11000 years refer to the praiseworthy period of Rama's rule. So the exaggeration ought to be there as we find parallels in Nacchinaarkkiniyar speaking of Maakeerthi (in whose presence of Tholkappiyam was inaugurated) being in throne for 24,000 years. The glorious ruling period is praised in superlative degrees whereas the other periods do not attract such adulation, particularly vanavas. Even in the puranas, such expressions of 1000s of years are found in adulation. <br /> <br /><br />//2. Again, if Rama's 11,000 = 100 (approx), it implies that Dasharatha's 60,000 = almost 600...//<br /><br />Same yardsticks to be followed here too. If we take Dasharatha's age literally, then his 3 wives have lived more than him! Why no mention of their age in 1000s of years? It shows that all this numbers are symbolic only. <br /><br />But I have a different thought on 60,000 yrs attributed to Dasharatha. He was already old when Rama and brothers were born. People were waiting for Rama to take up the reign but that was not happening. People were wondering when this old man was going to transfer power. Perhaps the exasperation led them say that he was in power for 60,000 years. But then why they didn't say 100,000 years? Perhaps number 60 was the optimum number for life (60 year cycle) and so they had expressed that Dasharatha was in power for 60 thousand years (but still had not quit). <br /><br />The sangam age poet had attributed much more years to his king. We can say that kind of exaggeration was not done in Rama's case. The Kavi had only stuck to the Dharmically relevant numbers of years for Rama as indicated by Ahoreva samvatsara. <br /><br /><br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-59222106630186108002016-07-23T20:55:56.498+05:302016-07-23T20:55:56.498+05:30(9) There are astrological and astronomy researche...(9) There are astrological and astronomy researches on the date of Rama which can be read in the following links:-<br /><br />"Rama lived 7000 years ago." (http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2010/10/rama-lived-7000-years-ago.html)<br /><br />"Rama’s birth date." (http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2010/10/ramas-birth-date.html)<br /><br />"When was Rama born?" (http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2010/10/when-was-rama-born.html)<br /><br />Though there are slight discrepancies in the dates arrived at in these papers, the fact of the matter is the date occurred nearly 2000 years before Mahabharata. The astrology software (Jhora 7.66 version) that I use shows Rama's birth time planets on 9th Jan 5114 BCE, a day before Dr Bhatnagar's date in his astronomy software. This is to say that the planetary combinations given in Valmiki Ramayana for Rama's birth did occur in recent past, say 7000 years ago. <br /><br />(10) Last, but not the least, if we pitch the date of Rama at some period before 10s of thousands of years ago, we can not prove the historicity of Ramayana. The land, geology, rivers, flora, fauna, people and culture everything would have been different and not as what is found in Ramayana.<br /><br />Moreover to say that Rama ruled for 11000 years to mean that he lived that long can not be sustained at all as human body or for that matter any living organism can not live that long in nature. Therefore it is time we shed those ideas and find more concrete proofs for the historicity of Ramayana while at the same trying yo figure out what the Kavi has meant by those expressions. <br /><br />In addition, I happened to read the lineage of Rama in this link http://www.hitxp.com/articles/history/descendants-lord-rama-war-mahabharata/<br />which says that Rama's descendant Brihad bala participated in the Mahabharata war. <br />This may confuse people on yuga calculations. Please read my many articles on Yugas <br /><br />"Rama in Treta yuga – Yuga is defined on the basis of dharma and not the number of years." http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2008/04/rama-in-treta-yuga-yuga-is-defined-on.html<br /><br />"On Yuga-Classification and what causes Yugas"<br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2011/01/on-yuga-classification-and-what-causes.html<br /><br />There is one more reference that we get from Hanuman Chalisa <br />"yuga sahasra yojana par bhanu"<br />1 Yuga - 12,000 years<br />1 sahasra - 1000<br />1 yojana - 8 miles<br />yuga X sahasra X yojana = par bhanu <br />= <br />12,000 X 1000 X 8 miles = 96000000 miles <br />This is the distance between the earth and the sun (Bhanu)<br />So 1 yuga is 12,000 years which is divided into 4 (chathur) yugas. <br />That number is same as the one written in the above article.<br />12000 years + pre-sandhi 1200 years + post sandhi 1200 years = 14,400 years<br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-35696499223339707832016-07-23T20:55:18.186+05:302016-07-23T20:55:18.186+05:30(5) Another internal reference from Valmiki Ramaya...(5) Another internal reference from Valmiki Ramayana is Sita telling the female demons अहिः एव अहेः पादान् विजानाति न संशयः (5-42-9) It means 'a serpent only can recognize the feet of another serpent' - this is a proverb found only in Tamil and not even in Sanskrit or in any other lanuage in the world. Its Tamil version is "Paambin kaal paambu ariyum". Sita using that Tamil proverb to the female demons of Lanka shows that they all had known / spoken Tamil as Manushya Bhasha. I don't want to pitch the date of that Bhasha to an unknown antiquity or else I have to say that the Kavi was a later born (not a contemporary of Rama) and written out of his imagination. But that Valmiki was familiar with Tamil and therefore of a period that was a few thousands of years ago can be established by many sources. Read my article 'Valmiki of Ramayana knew Tamil! (Spoken language of ancient India - part 1)' in the link http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/03/valmiki-of-ramayana-knew-tamil-spoken.html<br /><br />(6) This brings us to the next issue that the Manushya Bhasha that Hanuman and Sita conversed was Madhura Bhasha, the olden name for Tamil. My research on this can be read here:- http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/04/hanuman-and-sita-conversed-in-madhura.html<br /><br />(7) This further reiterates that Hanuman and other vanaras were not exotic beings but only human beings in the guise of vanaras. The vanaras were originally kshatriyas who were forced to remain hidden to escape the fury of Parashurama. My research article "Vanaras were human beings in disguise to escape from Parashurama (Mundas – 6)" can be read in the link - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2014/04/vanaras-were-human-beings-in-disguise.html<br /><br />(8)For further info on Pandyans as contemporaries of Rama, there exists a inscriptional evidence that Ravana bought peace with a Pandyan king. Sinnamanur copper plates of the Pandyan kings, while tracing the genealogy of Pandyans make a specific reference to an earlier Pandyan (name not mentioned ) to have made Ravana buy peace (refer verse 5 in this link: - http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_3/copper_plates_at_tirukkalar.html )<br /><br />This is written both in the Sanskrit portion and the Tamil portion of the inscriptions. In Sanskrit it is written "Dasaanan sandheepa rakshakaara". In Tamil the same is written as "dasavathanan saarbaaka sandhu seithum". There was geographic proximity between the Pandyans and Ravana. The Pandyans had some skirmishes with him and at some time, they had the ten-headed Ravana buy truce with them or had negotiated with Ravana for some reason. The reason is not known and the exact event is not known, but the very mention of some interaction with Ravana goes to show that Ravana was not a mythological character, nor a Ramayana a fiction. It also shows that Ramayana happened in a decipherable past and not lakhs of years ago. <br /><br />More in my article in this link - http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/02/all-tamils-must-unite-to-save-ram-setu.html<br /><br />(continued)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-42127980018471966712016-07-23T20:54:20.088+05:302016-07-23T20:54:20.088+05:30Dear Dr M.A. Padmanabha Rao.
With due respects to...Dear Dr M.A. Padmanabha Rao.<br /><br />With due respects to your scholarship, let me differ from your views - all but one which is about the historicity of Rama. Ramayana is perhaps the first documented history by any one on earth and Kavi Valmiki, the first historian. <br /><br />There is a counter to all the other observations by yourself spread over many articles in this blogspot. Let me try to give them in brief here and give the links to those articles for further elaboration. <br /><br />(1) First of all, Rama could not have lived 11,000 years ago, as that was the time of pre-Holocene when Ice Age was still on. The Ganges was not flowing, as most of North India was under terrible cold conditions with Himalayas impregnated with glaciers. The first presence of waters could be seen only in the North west / west of Indian sub continent with Saraswathi gradually picking up with monsoon waters and melting ice. <br /><br />(2) When Ikshvaku, the progenitor of Rama's race established his kingdom, there was no Ganges - it was only after Bhagiratha, another predecessor of Rama, that Ganges started flowing across North India. So any dating of Rama can happen only after the geological existence of the Ganges. This brings the date of Ganges later to 10,000 years ago when the Himalayan glaciers started melting. The cross-checking comes from sea-level rises, which peaked around 7300 years ago. <br /><br />(3) Further cross-checking comes from experiments on the geology of Nala Sethu. In this context read my blog on the interview with Dr Badrinarayanan, a geologist who tested Sethu soil. http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/02/ram-setu-man-made-structure-geologist.html<br /><br />Sethu was originally a raised bund on the sea floor. But a man made structure was raised over that. Based on the analysis, he says that "either between 5,800 to 5,400 years ago, or (some time since) 4,000 years ago, somebody appeared to have brought all the boulders and dumped them there." Read the details in the link given above. Two sets of corals are seen on the bed dumped at two different periods, the former being more than 5000 years ago. One must recall that soon after the bund was raised by the vanaras, it was inundated as we find the description of Setu below waters on Rama's return journey from Lanka. 5,800 years ago the water level was highest and after that it came down and then rose up. So there is a probability of the first and original bund raised by the Vanaras happening before 5800 years ago and later after Ramayana had come to stay in memory and veneration, efforts were made to raise it to make it a thoroughfare which lasted till the last century. <br /><br />(4) Looking at internal references from Valmiki Ramayana, Pandyans were ruling from Kavatam (2nd sangam age which was between 5550 BCE and 1850 BCE., While giving the location of places in the south Shugreeva says that after crossing the river Kaveri, Agasthya's abode and then river Tamraparani, the vanaras would reach the Kavatam of Pandyas! ( कवाटम् पाण्ड्यानाम् – Valmiki Ramayana, chapter 41 -19). Thereafter they would reach the southern oceans, said Shugreeva. From there they could reach Ravana's Lanka from Mahendra hills! So the Pandyans of 2nd sangam age having their capital city at Kavatam were the contemporaries of Rama. This did not happen 11000 years ago or some epoch called Tretha yuga. (Read http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/02/all-tamils-must-unite-to-save-ram-setu.html)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(continued)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-77312570127611721762016-07-22T21:10:39.906+05:302016-07-22T21:10:39.906+05:30TRULY RAMA RULED FOR 11,000 YEARS, according to Va...TRULY RAMA RULED FOR 11,000 YEARS, according to Valmiki Ramayana. <br /><br />RAMA's PERIOD FROM RESEARCH ON VALMIKI RAMAYANA: Many people express their own estimations arbitrarily without providing any documentary proof. Some people say Ramayana was held 5000 years ago without any basis. Ramayana composed by Valmiki has the answer, particularly in Rama Pattabhishek sarga. Rama ruled for 11,000 years. In Sanskrit, it is said dasa varsha sahasrani, dasa varsha satanicha (Ten times to thousand and ten times a hundred). One may argue how is it possible for a man to live for 11,000 years. Thousands of years ago, longevity of man was high and age of ancient man should not be equated to the modern man. If we add his 14 years of exile to forests and life at Ayodhya, it can be around 40 yrs. Anyhow, we can approximate his longevity was around 11,000 years. One cannot be sure whether Treta Yug ended with the end of Rama. Anyhow, Dwapar Yug followed, the exact time period of which is not known. It can be several thousands of years. Next, Kali Yug entered. One is not sure how many years are already over till now. But it can be few thousands of years. Considering all these periods, Rama's or Ramayana's period should be over 11,000 years ago.<br /><br />DID RAMA REALLY EXIST? <br />My research into Valmiki Ramayana unfolds King Rama, who ruled a portion of North India called Kosala desa (kingdom) with Ayodhya as capital, existed more than 11,000 years ago. Hindus broadly named the period as Treta Yug. Traditionally, historians seek archeological evidences such as fossils, coins, vessels etc on Rama, and if they find evidences in or around Ayodhya, then only they agree on Rama's existence. But, our archeologists have not made serious efforts to find such evidences, if any, at Ayodhya, so none should jump into a hasty conclusion that Rama never existed. Some people argue that Valmiki Ramayana does not reflect Rama's history. Instead, it is mistaken by western scholars as mythology, and fiction, while some others say it is nothing but an epic. My years of research into Valmiki Ramayana revealed that Valmiki has written it mainly as the history of King Rama, because he has found extraordinary abilities and nobilities in him. Valmiki became the first historian, much before the word 'history' was coined. Ramayana also described with unprecedented details about civilizations of humans, Vanara, Gradru, and Rakshasa. He has correctly mentioned Nuwara Eliya Hills of Sri Lanka as trikuta parvat as congregation of three mountain ranges, when facilities of aerial survey was unavailable. <br /><br />Nala Sethu visibly seen as a road from Rameswaram in India to Sri Lanka is the definite marine archeological evidence on existence of Rama, Vanaras, and Rakshasa civilizations. Valmiki Ramayana clearly mentioned that under the command of Crown Prince Rama, crores of Vanaras, Golanguls and Rukshyas have built the road just in 5 days. Incredibly, they have built on 200 meters deep sea. A rough estimate shows that it is around 60 km long and 5 km wide. During British rule, number of attempts were made at various places to see whether a passage to ships can be made through Nala Sethu. Since it became a huge unbreakable fossil, it was not possible to make a passage, as a result a chain of islands are seen visibly and also through satellite. <br /><br />One may argue how is it possible for King Rama to live or rule for 11,000 years? One should not compare Ramayana period with the current times. M.A.Padmanabha Rao, PhD (AIIMS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00074010543213996483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-71938579472395388292016-04-07T16:28:31.944+05:302016-04-07T16:28:31.944+05:30How many years Rama and Sita lived together?
As p...How many years Rama and Sita lived together?<br /><br />As per her version given to Hanuman in Ashoka vana she was married for 12 years before coronation was announced by Dasharatha. On the 13th year the coronation was planned but ended up in the exile of Rama for 14 years. So it is 12 + 14 = 26 years till they came back and were anointed as King and queen. Only upto this Yuddha khanda says. In Uttara khanda, the sequence of events show that by winter after they came back (in summer / Chaitra), Sita started showing signs of pregnancy. Soon after she got exiled and separated from Rama. That means they had lived together only for 25 years after deducting 1 year in Ashoka vana. <br /><br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.com