tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post7122508494564548139..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: 1. Integrated Bharat through the window of Tamil.Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-34559420714708240522021-08-03T20:48:50.418+05:302021-08-03T20:48:50.418+05:30Great Madam.
Vanuvatu intrigued me as did other to...Great Madam.<br />Vanuvatu intrigued me as did other topics discussed here.<br />But i checked photos of Vanuvatu people. They look negroid.<br />So , were Tamils also Negroid stock ? THe vanuvatu people seemed to have retained more of African genes then the present day Tamils in India. Unlikely it could all be because of gene mutation. What gene mixing happened in TN , India and how ?<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16901208043740276353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-43654554578015734132020-10-31T23:03:58.949+05:302020-10-31T23:03:58.949+05:30Thanks Madam.Thanks Madam.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-1642756907415947172020-10-31T17:34:56.788+05:302020-10-31T17:34:56.788+05:30Madam jayasree, wonderful to read this blog along ...Madam jayasree, wonderful to read this blog along with others inputsVijayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12948525759756318144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-36380919582615588342020-08-14T13:20:18.149+05:302020-08-14T13:20:18.149+05:30@Vainateya,
Please check both Tamil and Sanskrit ...@Vainateya,<br /><br />Please check both Tamil and Sanskrit part of Sinnamanur inscriptions. The Sanskrit part verse 7, gives the information that Arjuna ( Vijaya) was defeated by a Pandian King in the terrible war of the Kurus. So this Pandya had fought on the side of Kauravas. Please understand there were many kings of the same dynasty enjoying the title king - that is noticed until 1000 years ago. I have shown that even Kulottunga I was just a king with his capital at Kanchi while Adi Rajendra aka Krimi Kantha chola was ‘ Mannar mannan’ - king of kings for most part of kulottunga’s time. <br /><br />In all Arjuna is mentioned at 3 places in Sinnamanur inscription - that Arjuna was defeated, was saved from the curse of a Vasu and his (Nara’s) friend’s daughter was married by a Pandya. <br /><br />We do not have all kings’ names of sangam age. Do you think it is possible for 10000 year period covered by all 3 sangams? <br /><br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-15441466084986605042020-08-14T11:16:59.010+05:302020-08-14T11:16:59.010+05:30Thank you .Is the pandiya defeated arjuna (sinnama...Thank you .Is the pandiya defeated arjuna (sinnamanur inscription)was at kurushetra war or other war.Is he fought alongside kauravas or pandavar.can you have all pandiya king lists of sangam ages.Vainateyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110182163732282215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-21859043961876514552020-08-13T22:55:23.387+05:302020-08-13T22:55:23.387+05:30@Vainateya,
I have given whatever evidences are ... @Vainateya, <br /><br />I have given whatever evidences are there in Mahābhārata. <br />No info on pandyan king’s name when Krishna attended the assembly. <br />We can assume that only direct lineage existed in that ancient time. <br />The eldest always ruled from capital. His siblings & cousins also given rulership of different zones of the country. Read my Ramanuja series where I produced evidence of ‘king of king’ ruling from capital and others as just kings. <br />No info on the pandyan killed by Krishna. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-5941521419384351902020-08-13T21:25:06.697+05:302020-08-13T21:25:06.697+05:30I don't know the evidence madam.I heard it som...I don't know the evidence madam.I heard it somewhere.who was the pandiya king during krishna attended tamil sangam ?.Is the king a direct lineage of meenakshi or some other pandiya kingdom . krishna defeated pandyas of meenakshi lineage or other pandiya kingdoms?Vainateyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110182163732282215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-80020926554296594882020-08-11T16:32:00.303+05:302020-08-11T16:32:00.303+05:30@ Vainateya.
Thanks for your comment.
I have gi...@ Vainateya.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. <br /><br />I have given all the available references on Pandya kings in the war front in Mahabharata. Pandyans had fought from both sides, so it is clear that two different Pandyan kings were there fighting on opposite sides. With a difference in name appearing, we cannot take them as one without another cross reference. So a third Pandyan king also might have engaged in the battle. It is common to have many kings of the same dynasty in those days. Eg: 9 kings of Cholas were defeated by the Chola king, who happened to be the brother in law of Chera king Senguttuvan.<br /><br />Sinnamanur inscription tells that Vijaya was defeated by a Pandyan king, but the verse continues to refer to the war of Kurus. So that reference must be about a Pandyan king fighting on the side of Kauravas and engaged in a fight with Arjuna in Mahabharata war. Arjuna must have lost that war and retreated, is what we make out from that verse. For marriage you have mentioned, please provide evidence. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-6725430919549927152020-08-07T20:23:50.347+05:302020-08-07T20:23:50.347+05:30Thank you madam.accroding to me saragadwaja and ma...Thank you madam.accroding to me saragadwaja and malayadwaja are same king that malayadwaja came to him because he ruled over Malaya mountains.<br />He hated krishna and later his friend gave opinion to him that not go against krishna that he was lord vishnu(His friend may know) later that arjuna was on 1 year exile on forest he may came south and pandiya sarangadwaja or malayadwaja fought with him( I don't know reason) and defeated arjuna according to pandhya inscription and due to bravery of arjuna pandiya king gave his daughter to arjuna and due to father in law of arjuna he sided with pandavar .This is my opinion.Vainateyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110182163732282215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-60749997765807861382020-07-25T13:37:53.627+05:302020-07-25T13:37:53.627+05:30@Vainateya,
Lanka of Ravana was in present day S...@Vainateya, <br /><br />Lanka of Ravana was in present day Srilanka. It was on top of a hill. So not submerged. Srilankans have identified certain places associated with Ravana and Ramayana war. I have visited them as a tourist. Planning to visit again for research. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-80130504254022729392020-07-25T12:58:29.979+05:302020-07-25T12:58:29.979+05:30Is present lanka was lanka of ramayana or it is su...Is present lanka was lanka of ramayana or it is submerged?Vainateyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110182163732282215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-55977772470700627252017-08-05T16:40:06.352+05:302017-08-05T16:40:06.352+05:30For long Srilanka was not approached by any one fr...For long Srilanka was not approached by any one from outside, mainly because that was under the control of Ravana and his descendants. During Pandyan rule, Ravana was trying to raid Tamil lands in the Indian main land. But that was thwarted by Pandya with the threat of shooting the weapon Brahma Shiras on Lanka. Ravana relented and bought peace with Pandyans.<br />In those days the geography was based on Deva - Asura parameters. Lanka was an Asura land. Pumpukar was the last point of Deva land. No body from India or anywhere from northern latitudes were interested in settling down in Lanka mainly because it was categorized as Asura land. Only those from South of Lanka came and occupied it. It continued for long till Mahabharata times.<br /><br />After Ravana's times, it came under his brother Vibheeshana. Till Mahabharata times we find reference only to Vibheeshana's clan in Lanka. Only during Ashoka's times migrations happened into Lanka mostly from Kalinga and Vanga countries for spread of Buddhism. There is a genetic study establishing genetic origin of Lankans (Sinhalese) to Vanga (Bengal), It was only around 1000 CE, Cholan kings started intruding into Srilanka trying to wield their authority. By then Srilanka had become completely Buddhist and apparently did not not like violence and war. That made them even say that Damilas were an-aryas (non aryan = not noble) for their thirst for war. <br /><br />Most of the expeditions by Cholans did not give lasting control.Prominent example is that of Manu needi Cholan in 3rd century BCE which I will be writing in a future article in this series. He went on an expedition but was defeated and killed. Mahavamsam had recorded this. Read here: http://lakdiva.org/mahavamsa/chap025.html<br /><br />But no one back home in TN bothered to know what happened to Manu needi Chola. Researchers must have definitely stumbled upon the details about his demise, but deliberately kept quiet to support the so-called Tamil nationalism. <br /><br />Srilankan Tamil is not Tamil Proper, but Kodum Tamil. That was not even present in Sangam age or till the time Cholans started making expeditions. The Tamils of today in srilanka were brought to Srilanka by British rulers. <br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-16945426343518864152017-08-05T11:16:58.670+05:302017-08-05T11:16:58.670+05:30Your comments on Tamils belongs to Chera or Chola ...Your comments on Tamils belongs to Chera or Chola or Pandya Kingdom and not the one belonging to Indus, Elam or Srilanka seems to be carefully worded with interest as Indus civilization was no more during chekuttuvon period and to it could be possible Elam or Srilanka was ruled by either Cholas or Pandas themselvesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09950930938565514012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-30321365909446981382017-06-29T15:47:02.860+05:302017-06-29T15:47:02.860+05:30Thanks Ms Leela.
There must be books on Tamils...Thanks Ms Leela. <br />There must be books on Tamils' origins but invariably all of them must have been seen through Dravidian ideology. Mine is purely indigenous and based on primary texts. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-82998567033328514392017-06-29T13:21:38.483+05:302017-06-29T13:21:38.483+05:30Absolutely fascinating research. Is there a book o...Absolutely fascinating research. Is there a book on the topic of Tamil people their origins and on their literature? Please let me know if such works exist. Thank you .Leelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10190446612816700008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-52412458870395148652017-05-27T21:02:23.503+05:302017-05-27T21:02:23.503+05:30dear madam,
shall be glad to assist. one more in...dear madam,<br /><br />shall be glad to assist. one more info on chintadripet there are lot of saurashtrians here and they do the artwork of temple umbrella/decorations to Ther etc.. kodai for thirupathi for garuda sevai and for all temples go from chintadripet there is a street called iyya mudali street where this artisans live. Sheelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058145061281478167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-56926300353460765782017-05-27T19:15:51.786+05:302017-05-27T19:15:51.786+05:30Thanks for the details Ms Sheela, you have given a...Thanks for the details Ms Sheela, you have given a very valuable link to a past history. I can see a connection here between Triplicane Partasarathy temple and Asikesava perumal Temple of Chindadripet. In my opinion someone close to Krishna's clan had consecrated Parthasarathy with his family at Triplicane which was originally Narasimha temple. Obviously they had shifted after the deluge at Byt Dwaraka, 3500 years ago, when Pandyans also lost their habitat in the southern sea due to a surge in Indian ocean. People of the same group of immigrants had settled in Chintadripet and retained their memory of Draupadi and Dharma raja. It is my strong opinion that temples of Draupadi where Duryodhana dahanam and enacting of Mahabharata are done must have been established by people who came from the regions of Mahabharata. If these temples have fire walking tradition, then fire-walking can be deemed to have a connection with Draupadi. I will get back to you if need more information on this temple. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-4805298467380544402017-05-27T12:11:13.467+05:302017-05-27T12:11:13.467+05:30Dear Madam,
this happens in Chintadripet Dharmaraj...Dear Madam,<br />this happens in Chintadripet Dharmaraja Draupadi amman koil., they stay overnight in Adhikesava Perumal temple nearby and in pond they do their costumes, white clothes dipped in manjal Chintadripet is known as Adhikesavapuram earlier after Britishers brought thari weavers and gave name as Chinnatharipettai. understand from Perumal temple that 6 generations before for thirumanjanam water is brought from Cooum river in procession unrecorded versions say Acharya Ramanuja has visited this temple enroute to Thiruvallikeni. so this place had more sanctity which is different now with identity as Chintadripet fish market.<br /><br />coming back to this firewalking my father side family deity is Draupadiamman in Parangipettai now Tranquiebar. since we have elaborate festival here i have never visited this Parangipettai temple. now chintadripet temple premises has shrunk with houses very close but still this event is done with much fanfare all communities participate. <br /><br />they believe unpious ones may be punished with casualities or even death during firewalk.<br /><br />any further details required shall put you to right persons in Draupadi amman temple.<br /><br />Sheelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058145061281478167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-85042048142292333172017-05-26T19:02:35.495+05:302017-05-26T19:02:35.495+05:30Thanks a lot Ms Sheela for the details. Can I Know...Thanks a lot Ms Sheela for the details. Can I Know in which part of Chennai you have seen this. Please share with me any other info on this that can be used in this series. <br /><br />The information collected by me pertains to Velir regions and in particular a village in Dharmapuri district. I noticed 2 different branches one from Mahabharata times / by people who settled in TN due to displacement from Dwaraka and another owing to the burning of Madurai by Kannagi and the tradition to appease her. There was even a Sangam age poet by name "Thee- midhi Naaganaar" or Theenmidhi Naaganar. I will be doing a separate post on fire walking and the possibility of Sita having done fire- walking and not entry into fire as in Sati. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-60796308060515856662017-05-26T10:08:41.475+05:302017-05-26T10:08:41.475+05:30Dear Madam
fire walking is fascinating., people ...Dear Madam<br /><br />fire walking is fascinating., people come with utter faith staying overnight in a Perumal temple dressing up themselves as women decorating with flowers n kajal in eyes and thiruman sporting their forehead and first day evening they will be poured with turmeric water enroute and have to come around Draupadi amman temple till a huge pot holds vertically the sworde without any balance this is a wonder. they will have to run around continusouly till this happens, they will be whipped and poured with turmeric water.\ till this sword balances in the pot.<br /><br />second day morning Duryodana & Dushasana vadham happens and female folks offer vella pongal near the temple itself and seccond day evening firewalk happens.<br /><br />this happens in my location @ chennai. on these two days it will definitely rain. there is some scientific connection to this. and they chant for entire event as Govinda/ Govinda this happens in Aadi tamil month. its a 10 day event and Dharma raja/ Draupadi urchavar go in procession this happens late in evening. before firewalk day Draupadi alone comes with open hair, after firewal she ties up n come along with Dharmaraja. i hope this should happen more or less same in all Draupadi amman temples all over Tamilnadu<br />Sheelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058145061281478167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-15833493551789107242017-05-09T15:49:27.769+05:302017-05-09T15:49:27.769+05:30Welcome Mr Ramanathan.
No one has seen Agatheeyam...Welcome Mr Ramanathan. <br />No one has seen Agatheeyam as it was lost even 2000 years ago. The presently available Tholkappiyam was written by Agasthya's disciple and was based on Agatheeyam. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-72961170830945369312017-05-09T12:26:19.913+05:302017-05-09T12:26:19.913+05:30Just curious have you ever seen a text of the gram...Just curious have you ever seen a text of the grammar Agatiyam supposed to have been penned by Agatiyar?R.Ramanathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01842378468616200619noreply@blogger.com