tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post4664094439035800045..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: New discoveries around “Great Attractor” reveal importance of ‘Trishanku’ as a marker in the South!Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-11834477536859787722022-09-01T19:42:52.648+05:302022-09-01T19:42:52.648+05:30@ Mr. Kapil / Bhola Bhakt,
To know about Vaishvan...@ Mr. Kapil / Bhola Bhakt,<br /><br />To know about Vaishvanara, the best source is Brahma Sutras. Commentaries to Brahma Sutras by Ramanuja and Adi Shankara are there in sacredtext.com <br /><br />Vaishvanara is the life giver. It is the Brahman that digests the food we eat. Since the macro imprints are there in our human body, I used to think that one among the cranial nerves that is longer and goes upto our chest and is linked with our stomach (digestion) is the Vaishvanara Brahman in our body. Known as the Vagus nerve this is longer than the other cranial nerves which branch out soon leaving the brain, whereas this alone is longer before it branches out. <br /><br />There is an Ayur vedic powder known as "Vaishvanara Churna" that is good for improving digestion, in other words, to ignite the digestive agni so that food is digested and absorbed well. <br /><br />Going by all the available literature on Vaishvanara, it is obvious that it is related with giving life. There is a path of Vaishvanara Brahman aligned to the axis of the earth whose northern pole is the Meru. Since it is stated in the Puranas that the star Agastya is lying outside the path of Vaishvanara, it is understood that it doesn't come within the polar axis, i.e., can never be a pole star. In the limited oscillation model of the pole/equinox, it can never be. That is being implied here. But in the western concept of continuous precession, it will become a pole star which is being promoted by Mr. Nilesh Oak. But it has no supporting evidence form Vedic sources. So, his date of Ramayana, derived by using that software is unreliable.<br /><br />Moreover, for the date he has given for Ramayana, the River Ganga was not at all flowing. The Himalayas were completely under the impact of Ice age then. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-7543926304527126892022-08-17T20:09:40.211+05:302022-08-17T20:09:40.211+05:30Very nice elaborated article mam, although I am no...Very nice elaborated article mam, although I am not having any knowledge of starts and consulation while reading Ramayan i was just curiously searching for meaning of वैश्वानर and anything about Trishanku Star and i have found your article.<br />Thanks for sharing knowledge.<br />as per Mr Nilesh Oak Pratisrushti of Vishwamitra is around 13,500 BCE<br /><br />Regards,<br />KapilBhola Bhakthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10842894533889139585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-70757204807900645522019-12-06T09:30:14.771+05:302019-12-06T09:30:14.771+05:30Stunning, beyond scaling , size, if we think, mak...Stunning, beyond scaling , size, if we think, makes whole cosmos inside us. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14924961133449848930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-12323110381234895692016-03-28T14:17:56.340+05:302016-03-28T14:17:56.340+05:30Dr Upadhyay has given some insights into Shanku an...Dr Upadhyay has given some insights into Shanku and Trishanku. One of the meanings of Shanku is 10 billion. By trishanku it must mean that Trishanku must be 30 billions away from us. Though the Arrowhead super cluster may fit with this, it must be away in terms of millions of light years only. More over with observable star light going up to 13+ billion years, it is illogical to speak about a star at distances far beyond that and claim our sages have spoken about them. As Trishanku story speaks about Southern sapta rishi mandala going round this star, the clue is very much available that the story speaks about the pole star in the southern pole. <br /><br />The distance of 175.87 light years for Trishanku does not fit Alpha centauri which is only 4+ light years away. It does not fit with Arrowhead cluster either as that must be millions of light years away. The Virgo super cluster is 65 million light years away. Arrowhead which is beyond that must be more than that distance. Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-59956815855852893652016-03-28T14:00:06.793+05:302016-03-28T14:00:06.793+05:30Dr Arun Upadhyay wrote:-
Śanku and Tri-śanku has ...Dr Arun Upadhyay wrote:-<br /><br />Śanku and Tri-śanku has several meanings.<br /><br />Śanku = (1) 1013, <br />(2) Cone,<br />(3 Cone shaped gnomon (to measure shadow of sun etc for finding time, latitude),<br />(4) Curves generated by plane sections of a cone. Cone is an infinite figure formed by rotation of a right angle triangle around its perpendicular. Hypotenus and axis are extended to infinite in both directions.<br /><br />By section with a plane. 3 curves are formed-(1) Perpendicular to axis-Circle, slightly inclined plane-ellipse<br />(2) Plane parallel to axis-Hyperbola with 2 parts. Plane exactly passing through axis-2 intersecting lines.<br />(3) Plane parallel to side-Parabola<br />Any cosmic object moving in a gravitational field will move in a one of the conic sections-If it is unable to escape gravitational pull, then ellipse ( or circle as special case), (2) If it can just escape, then parabolic orbit-very long ellipse like orbit of comets, (3) Hyperbola if velocity is more than escape velocity.<br />Thus, all cosmic bodies are held by Śanku (or its plane sections)-<br /> शङ्कु भवत्यह्नो धृत्यै यद्वा अधृतं शङ्कुना तद्दाधार (ताण्ड्य महाब्राह्मण, ११/१०/११)<br /><br />As a number, Śanku = 1013. Size of Kūrma which encloses galaxy is hundred thousand times Śanku (1018) yojanas. Starting from earth (diameter defined as 1000 yojana-1000 petalled lotus), solar system (gravitational zone called earth) and galaxy are successively 107 times bigger. Thus, galaxy = 1000 x 107 x 107 = 1017 Yojana. Thus, Kūrma (1018) is 10 times bigger than galaxy. Since this does work (of creating galaxy), it is called Kūrma. It is zone of light, so it is called Golok in Brahma Vaivarta Purāṇa. In Ahargaṇa units (2 power n-3 of earth radius, n = ahargaṇa unit), its measure is 56 = Śakvarī Chhanda of 14 x4 letters.<br />ब्रह्मवैवर्त पुराण, प्रकृति खण्ड, अध्याय ३-अथाण्डं तजलेऽतिष्टद्यावद्वै ब्रह्मणो वयः॥१॥<br />तन्मध्ये शिशुरेकश्च शतकोटिरविप्रभः॥२॥ स्थूलात्स्थूलतमः सोऽपि नाम्ना देवो महाविराट्॥४॥<br />तत ऊर्ध्वे च वैकुण्ठो ब्रह्माण्डाद् बहिरेव सः॥९॥<br />तदूर्ध्वे गोलकश्चैव पञ्चाशत् कोटियोजनात्॥१०॥नित्यौ गोलोक वैकुण्ठौसत्यौ शश्वदकृत्रिमौ॥१६॥<br />शतपथ ब्राह्मण (७/५/१/५)-स यत्कूर्मो नामा एतद्वै रूपं कृत्वा प्रजापतिः प्रजा असृजत, यदसृजत अकरोत्-तद् यद् अकरोत् तस्मात् कूर्मः॥<br />नरपति जयचर्या, स्वरोदय (कूर्म-चक्र)-मानेन तस्य कूर्मस्य कथयामि प्रयत्नतः।<br />शङ्कोः शतसहस्राणि योजनानि वपुः स्थितम्॥<br />ताण्ड्य महाब्राह्मण(११/१०) शङ्कुभवत्यह्नो धृत्यै यद्वा अधृतं शङ्कुना तद्दाधार॥११॥<br />तद् (शङ्कु साम) उसीदन्ति इयमित्यमाहुः॥१२॥<br />ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण (५/७)-यदिमान् लोकान् प्रजापतिः सृष्ट्वेदं सर्वमशक्नोद् तद् शक्वरीणां शक्वरीत्वम्॥<br />Thus, Tri-Śanku = 3 x 1013.<br />In Uṣā sūkta, yojana = half degree of equator = 55.5 kms.<br />सदृशीरद्य सदृशीरिदु श्वो दीर्घं सचन्ते वरुणस्य धाम ।<br />अनवद्यास्त्रिंशतं योजनान्येकैका क्रतुं परियन्ति सद्यः ॥ (ऋक्, १/१२३/८)<br /><br />It is stated that Uṣā moves 30 Dhāma ahead of sun in west (direction of Varuṇa). These, Dhāmas will have varying length on each latitude, it will be largest at equator. Indian convention is that Uṣā is 15 degrees west of sunrise (western convention for higher latitudes of Europe is 18 degree). So, 1 Dhāma yojana = ½ degree on equator. In this scale, distance of Tri-Śanku star is 3 x 1013 yojanas<br />= 55.5 x 3 x 1013 Kms<br />= 55.5 x 108 light seconds<br />= 55.5 x 108/(86400 x 365.5) Light year<br />= 175.87 Light years. This is approximate distance of Tri-Śanku star.<br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-56122598503179109432016-03-28T13:59:06.538+05:302016-03-28T13:59:06.538+05:30Thank you Mr skm.Thank you Mr skm.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-4593711813869382522016-03-28T13:57:31.116+05:302016-03-28T13:57:31.116+05:30Read about Arrowhead cluster here: https://inspire...Read about Arrowhead cluster here: https://inspirehep.net/record/1392614/plots<br />This video also helps to understand easily:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZKQTJrEsLI<br /><br />The shape of this cluster led me to think of Trishanku and that made me go through the legend of Trishanku from Ramayana to look for clues. This cluster is conical in shape and the super cluster of Laniakea and Pisces along with another super cluster called Coma cluster seem to be rotating this Arrowhead. This fulfills the description of Trishanku as a cone, as a three sided one and as something which the worlds circummabulate. I started writing this article at that time itself (last month end) and came upto Trishanku. But there is one thing that was not convincing to me. It was the fact that we can not view it in the sky. It looked absurd for me to say that our sages got its location (of Arrowhead cluster) by intuition and expect others (both scientists and believers) to accept it in an article where I am trying to prove that Vedic sages had encapsulated science in myths. <br /><br />I almost gave up continuing this article and started thinking on Trishanku, Alpha centauri and its location as seen from the earth. What I conceived step by step looked logical in course (Vishwamitra, the three blemishes, gayatri mantra and finally south pole star). It looks logical to have Vishwamitra to have identified Trishanku as the South pole star. So I would say that the sages have woven the Trishanku myth by combining the star that existed as the pole star in the south with the Sanatanic moral of leaving off the three ruNas. Every time one looks at the star or thinks of Trishanku, one must remember the three blemishes and work towards removing them by thinking of Trishanku who was helped by the Friend of Vishwam. <br /><br />To reply to your question, the new data adds credence to Vedic theories of Lunar path in the direction of Great Attractor, absence of Vaishvanara in the south and perhaps Arrowhead cluster as the surging Mriga (Mrigashira) to be discovered some time in future as the direction our Universe is surging. Somewhere in between these I stumbled upon Trishanku as the southern pole star. I have proposed the candidature of Agasthya (Canopus) as a pole star at one time and also Vasishta as a northern pole star at one time based on the myths. I have sent this article to Dr Naraahri Achar, Prof R.N. Iyengar, Dr Subhash Kak, Dr David Frawley and Sri Stephan Knapp. Let me see their response. <br /><br />Already Dr Sandhya Jain replied that there is "so much in line with Hindu memory what we call myth.."Dr Arun Upadhyay also had responded which I will be posting here.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-65750267804663195672016-03-28T13:57:13.549+05:302016-03-28T13:57:13.549+05:30Thanks for sharing your thoughts VirtualPresence. ...Thanks for sharing your thoughts VirtualPresence. The reality is that a vast number of stories (myths) are yet to be properly understood to convey them without deviating from the Hindu thought. Therefore there is a danger of presenting them in a wrong way. (Even Ramayana is being presented in a very objectionable way in a recent TV series). Where there is proper scientific backing, those stories can be presented with the scientific facts. In my opinion, such understanding with logical and scientific perspective comes only with age. At childhood we listened to these stories with awe and disbelief, but without doubting our faith in our Gods. Therefore my thinking is that let kids be fed with strong faith in Gods while being exposed to these myths. As they grow old and get exposed to science, they would explore and realize the various utilities of these myths. <br /><br />Yesterday a science research on conflict between science and religion to be present in our brains was published (http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.in/2016/03/the-conflict-between-science-and.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheArchaeologyNewsNetwork+(The+Archaeology+News+Network)#.VvjdmuJ97IU). This conflict will be there for believers of Christian and Muslim faith but certainly not for Hindus. Almost all our myths and stories have either moral reasoning or scientific / logical background ingrained in them. The understanding of them would come with age and experience with life only. <br /><br />To reply to the second part of your comment, the discovery on the hidden galaxies was reported lat month end. It did fascinate me at the first instance because as an avid star-gazer, I am always perplexed at that part of Great Attractor in the sky as you cannot see any stars in that vast section and the sky also looks dim in that part. I showed a hand made sketch in the article connecting northern sapta rishi mandala to Trishanku (Alpha Centauri). A regular star-gazer would not miss the line of stars as I had shown. That is the only part of the sky in 360 degrees where you will find a line-up from northern end to southern end. In my younger days, I had imagined all sorts of stories / myths to fit with that. But nothing was convincing. Trishanku in the South also looked like a loner to me. <br /><br />Now when I read about the discoveries in Great Attractor, I started browsing to know the complete details on the galaxies in that section. The presence of Milky way galaxy in the border line between Laniakea and Pisces was an amazing information to me. There is something also in this section which I have not written in the article. It is the presence of "Arrow head super cluster" in the middle of these two massive clusters of north and south. This cluster divides the filaments through which the galaxies move. Somewhere near this cluster, we (Mikly way) had to a take a turn and start moving northward. I was convinced of this as Hindu Thought insists on northern movement for Devayana and that all life is destined for Liberation sometime.<br /><br />(continued) <br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-5103914828093634922016-03-28T09:38:03.731+05:302016-03-28T09:38:03.731+05:30Thank yo! Really this is an amazing read with plet...Thank yo! Really this is an amazing read with plethora of information scientifically with vedic background. Much appreciated!!skmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07622324290357214758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-67115331785911320312016-03-27T23:21:05.632+05:302016-03-27T23:21:05.632+05:30Thank you, that was a very interesting read. It is...Thank you, that was a very interesting read. It is quite fascinating to learn about the scale of the thought process of ancient rishis. It would be fascinating if stories like this accompanied by graphic illustrations and data from modern research can be woven into discreet episodes that can be narrated to our future generations. Word of mouth (may be videos in this generation?) is after all one of the most effective means of preserving a culture.<br /><br />Was it the case that this new information lead to your reinterpretation of the Trishanku story, as is usually the case where new data leads to new theories, or was it the case that the theory already existed and the new discovery adds some data points to it?VirtualPresencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09967915194673585350noreply@blogger.com