tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post6521948604506810598..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: Rama Navami – why celebrate Rama’s birthday on thithi and not on birth star?Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-83840996665941266542023-09-05T17:39:00.294+05:302023-09-05T17:39:00.294+05:30Dear Mr. Vijay,
Any Pravesh chart is meant for pr...Dear Mr. Vijay,<br /><br />Any Pravesh chart is meant for predicting what will happen in that feature. <br />Tithi Pravesh has no basis in astrological literature, except for earmarking the beginning of a lunar month. The Tithi Pravesh chart introduced by Mr. PVN Rao is his own creation and not supported by any scriptures. I gave a try to it in my Thesis for Masters, which was rejected by my HOD in PSTU for this reason. Anyway I checked and found it not to work.<br /><br />Why stars are favoured?<br />Its because each star is lorded by a Vedic Deity. The deity of the star is said to govern the life of the one born in that star. In the naming ceremony (Nama karma) done on the 11th or 21st day after birth, the initial mantras (before naming the child) refer to the deity of the star of birth. It is as though the deity has taken birth in the child. After those mantras, the baby is named and the name comes into force since then.<br /><br />In the Mahabharata series that you can see now going on in my blog, one of the blogs is about the names of the stars in the Mahabharata. More often than not, the stars are mentioned along with the deity's name. For example 'Bhagyam nakshatram' refers to the star of Bhaga which is Purva Phalguni. 'Prajapatyam hi nakshatram' refers to Rohini lorded by Prajapati. Check here (https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2023/07/mahabharata-quiz-13.html)<br /><br />There is no need to note nakshtra Pravesh chart because there is no prediction related to it. Nakshtra Pravesh time is noted in casting horoscopes to determine the degree (or Pada) of the star at the time of birth. This is also needed in calculating the remaining Dasa-bhukti at the time of birth. In no other time do we use Nakshtra Pravesh.<br /><br />On the other hand, Nakshtra Pravesh is noted for Sun's entry into Ashvini in mundane astrology. The time of entry of the Sun into Ashvini determines the Jag Lagna - the lagna for the land and this is seen every year based on which the horoscope is cast to find out the Phalan for the country in the upcoming year. <br /><br /><br />Tithi Pravesh is seen only at the time of waxing Pratima to determine the beginning of a lunar month. Like star deities, there is no deity governing the tithis. The tithi determines the nature of Time when a particular tithi is running. Based on the work to be done, a particular tithi is chosen. <br /><br />Hope you got the point. <br /><br />In the case of Gods like Rama and Krishna, their birth tithi is auspicious for remembering them. They being Paksha Chidra tithis (portending defective effects), those Gods are meditated upon during their birth tithis to avert the inauspiciousness of those tithis and to enhance our thoughts on those Gods. <br /><br /><br /> Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-90849891933235411962023-09-05T13:08:33.851+05:302023-09-05T13:08:33.851+05:30Dear Madam,
Namaskaram. People are supposed to ce...Dear Madam,<br /><br />Namaskaram. People are supposed to celebrate Birth star and not Birth Tithi and people celebrate for new beginning like a new calendar. But there is no Nakshatra Pravesh whereas there is Tithi Pravesh which signify new beggining of vedic calendar where astrology is also applied for vedic year and good times/bad times starts. If there is no Nakshatra pravesh or no new beggining then why to celebrate birth day on Birth Nakshatra instead of birth tithi.<br /><br />Thank you for enlightening.<br /><br />Regards<br />VijayVijayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732133769575744078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-68808977908694070422021-04-21T20:33:18.997+05:302021-04-21T20:33:18.997+05:30Thankyou for the very detailed and clear explanati...Thankyou for the very detailed and clear explanation Mam. I was interested in knowing about the confusion and issues surrounding the star- planetary combinations only and not about bringing the exact date in software.ganapathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03661078271912698913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-46150140832359643492021-04-21T19:21:49.331+05:302021-04-21T19:21:49.331+05:30This apart, I noticed that the date 9th January, 5...This apart, I noticed that the date 9th January, 5114 BCE simulated in Jhora shows Sun, Jupiter, Mars and Venus in exaltation and Saturn in retrogression in Scorpio by which it comes into Libra (exalted). This accounts for 5 planets in exaltation. <br /><br />Jhora shows Punarvasu joining Ashtami! Not Navami. <br /><br />This also has an explanation – that a tithi was lost during comet hit in Mahabharata. What was originally Shashthi, became Saptami! The current computation continues from this. The software extrapolates the tithis for all time in the past. This makes Navami of Rama’s birth shown as Ashtami in the software. The loss of a tithi, not accounted for (not known to any), makes Navami shown as Ashtami in Jhora.<br /><br />Kamban does not say anything on planets. He merely mentions the star and tithi. Dropping the mention of planetary combinations seems to have stemmed from the absence of consensus on planetary description of Valmiki even at Kamban’s time. It is worth reminding ourselves here that none in the past had attempted to date Ramayana. The loss of one tithi and the confusion on the planetary positions must have discouraged them from giving a decisive view. <br /><br />Another main issue could have been the presence of Mercury in Pisces, its sign of debility. Though it gets neech-bhanga by joining the exalted Venus there, its presence there is likely to go against the brilliance exhibited by Rama. I have a counter to this. Mercury + venus (in Pisces / meena) in Kendra to Jupiter (kataka) gives rise to Saraswati Yoga which is recognized for Intelligence, learnedness, wisdom etc.<br /><br />Like this issues are there to be resolved. <br /><br />For your specific question on Navami tithi, it cannot be shown in astrology software or by manual calculation. Astronomy software is nowhere in the reckoning for dating Ramayana. <br />Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-90097497390855055272021-04-21T19:19:34.645+05:302021-04-21T19:19:34.645+05:30This combination is possible only if the Caitra Pr...This combination is possible only if the Caitra Pratipat occurred in Uttara Bhadrapada, but then the sun would not have entered Aries. This conditional clause on the Sun is necessary if we assume that the Sun was exalted in Rama’s horoscope. However nowhere Valmiki had stated that the sun was exalted. Our assumption is because Rama was from solar dynasty and so his sun must have been exalted. <br /><br />This brings the issue to the planetary combinations given in Ramayana. <br /><br />Valmiki merely stated स्वोच्चसंस्थेषु पंचसु – swocchasamstheShu panchasu (graheSu)<br />Almost everyone had translated this as “their own Uccha (exalted) houses”, but the verse seems to convey “swa – Ucccha samstheshu” meaning in own and exalted houses. <br />Five planets were either in their own or exalted houses. They were <br />Exalted – Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Sun<br />Own – Moon <br />In the next line कर्कटे लग्ने वाक्पताविंदुना सह - karkaTe lagne vaakpati indunaa saha<br />In Kataka lagna, Vaak pati (Jupiter) along with Moon.<br /><br />Interpreters had assumed these two as separate from the five planets of the previous line and had handed down an opinion that seven planets were either in own or exalted houses. Except Rahu and Ketu all the planets would be in exalted or own houses in this case. The horoscope of Rama given in religious books shows such a combination. Even I was taught this horoscope by my grandfather while teaching the basics of horoscope. <br /><br />However I have doubts about this considering the incompatibility of Navami and Punarvasu when the Sun will be in Aries. If the sun is in Pisces, there is no issue. <br />Suppose we remove the sun from the 4 exalted planets shown above, then it would be <br />Exalted – Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Saturn. <br /><br />Saturn in signs opposite to the Sun makes it retrograde. In astrology, a retrograde planet is said to go to the previous sign. If Saturn was at Scorpio at Rama’s birth it would be deemed to have moved to Libra, its exalted sign.<br /><br />(Continued) Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-67811221536044359512021-04-21T19:17:17.971+05:302021-04-21T19:17:17.971+05:30@ganapathy,
Rama’s star is Punarvasu only. Valmik...@ganapathy,<br /><br />Rama’s star is Punarvasu only. Valmiki clearly states “nakshatre aditidaivatye”, meaning in the star of Aditi Devata. Aditi is the deity of Punarvasu. As if to reinforce this it is stated in the next verse that Kausalya with her new born son shone like Aditi Devata with her son Indra. <br /><br />Pushya was the birth star of Bharata who was born in Meena lagna. (Pushye Meena lagne) So that was before sunrise of next morning. <br /><br />Lakshmana – Shatrugna were born in “Sarpa”, whose star is Aslesha.<br /><br />Rama – Punarvasu<br />Bharata – Pushya<br />Lakshmana – Shatrugna – Aslesha <br /><br />This is clearly stated in Valmiki Ramayana. This cannot be challenged. However Kamban differs by having stated that Shatrugna was born in Magha, following birth of Lakshmana in Aslesha in Kataka. Kamban could not have stated this without such a view being prevalent in his time. <br /><br />Tithi-wise, Rama’s birth tithi is clearly stated as “chaitre naavamike tithau”<br />So Caitra Shukla Navami in Punarvasu is Shabda Pramana.<br /><br />(Continued)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-33756396853979710552021-04-21T12:26:35.951+05:302021-04-21T12:26:35.951+05:30A very detailed article, clarifying many aspects. ...A very detailed article, clarifying many aspects. I have the below doubt: I have heard some ppl say Rama's star is Punarvasu and some say Pushya. And Punarvasu with Navami Thithi is not possible to occur...could you enlighten on this plsganapathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03661078271912698913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-71754354610865434132019-01-23T08:33:40.539+05:302019-01-23T08:33:40.539+05:30Thanks Mr Ganesan. It will take a while for me to ...Thanks Mr Ganesan. It will take a while for me to read your blog as I am travelling for sometime now. I will read and share my views on the 1st week of Feb.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-84474179765256326662019-01-19T13:27:24.304+05:302019-01-19T13:27:24.304+05:30Dear Madam,
Namaskarams.
In religious matters, T...Dear Madam,<br /><br />Namaskarams.<br /><br />In religious matters, Tamilians always preferred Thithis,it seems.See my blog http://rganesaa.blogspot.com/ where I have written about GnanaSambandar quantifying days in terms of Thithi.<br /><br />Hoping to see next post from you and thanking you for your write-ups,<br /><br />R.GanesanGanesan Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11614265072837736036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-10020710408598822112018-03-25T17:00:29.607+05:302018-03-25T17:00:29.607+05:30I did read but couldnt get the reasoning of why th...I did read but couldnt get the reasoning of why the discripency or different ways exists for one god to another god. If you could sight the particular comment that address my doubt it would be helpful Watzapisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15997543706808074139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-51998168510208745172018-03-25T15:50:19.993+05:302018-03-25T15:50:19.993+05:30@Vaishna K,
Read the above comments for answers t...@Vaishna K,<br /><br />Read the above comments for answers to your questions.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-45679463933801487822018-03-25T15:21:57.279+05:302018-03-25T15:21:57.279+05:30Why then for few gods like Hanuman, Lord murugan o...Why then for few gods like Hanuman, Lord murugan or Karthikeyan their birthdays are celebrated based on stars? <br /><br />HANUMAN - Marghazhi Moolam ( among Tamilians ) <br />MURUGAN - Vaikasi Visagam <br /><br />Iyengar communities celebrate Gokulashtami not on thithi's but on Rohini star. Why such inconsistency ? <br /><br />If Avatara purishar Jayathis are celebrated on Thithis would Sankaracharyar jayanthi be on his Thithi or birth Star. Watzapisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15997543706808074139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-77894340210445861772011-12-12T11:51:12.329+05:302011-12-12T11:51:12.329+05:30Dear Mr Vasu,
If you have noticed the illustrati...Dear Mr Vasu, <br /><br />If you have noticed the illustration given in the post, from Saptami to Ekadasi, the earth and we (fluids and mental faculties) are not much disturbed. It is even said that new medication can be started on Ashtami, when the combined influence of Sun and the moon will be minimal on the body. Ekadasdi comes in the fringe of that period of least disturbance. So there may be something that could be beneficial for the body by doing fast on that day. <br /><br />Though there are many spiritual accounts on the suitability of Ekadasi for fasting, no exact research has been done for that day. But there exists one inference from a research done Vaikuntha Ekadasi, which showed that on that Ekadasi day, the earth reaches the farthest point from the centre of our galaxy (Dhanur rasi / sagittarius). Taking this logic to other Ekadasis, I presume that though pournami and amavasya are the two extremes in moon's sojourn, due to the tilt of the orbit of the moon, with that of the earth, it will be at crossing a point of greater distance from the earth on Ekadasi. Perhaps a fast on that day causes better changes in our body due to which our mental faculties may also get tuned to spiritual mode. <br /><br />Read my recent post on Unknown science behind Full Moon<br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2011/12/unknown-science-behind-full-moon.html<br /><br />There may be something to do with Ekadasi moon also.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-35670966237426025832011-12-12T09:19:21.726+05:302011-12-12T09:19:21.726+05:30Thanks for a nice explanation of tithi-s! I got a ...Thanks for a nice explanation of tithi-s! I got a question - why is ekadasi considered auspicious for fasting? we (our family) observe this without fail, but i have not heard a reason why it is considered important.vasuhttp://vagartham.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-8469900887040010812010-04-18T18:29:57.482+05:302010-04-18T18:29:57.482+05:30Sankalpa manthras mention time from Parama ayul of...Sankalpa manthras mention time from Parama ayul of Four faced Brahma downwards. That is Parardha - half of Para. Para is 100 years of Brahma. Parardha is 50 years of Brahma. We refer time starting from that 50th year of Brahma.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-67503334614853446092010-04-18T18:24:30.501+05:302010-04-18T18:24:30.501+05:30Thanks Mr Raman.
Your suggestion is worth pursuin...Thanks Mr Raman.<br /><br />Your suggestion is worth pursuing. I will discuss it with my mentor for taking it up as a research subject. But it calls for a lot of work other than brain work - of going out in search of old books. Olden texts are said to be available in Nepal's libraries. We dont know the fate of those books in these times of marxist resurgence. <br /><br />What I can say for sure is that a system was in place in our country that meticulously recorded days right from the time of creation. A modified form of it is in use in astrology even today in deciding shadbala strength of a planet. We calculate varusha bala (Year's strength), maasa bala and vaara bala based on this system only. I dont know the original source of this system. What I studied was a re-computed system for easy calculation, that has 2-5-1827 as the beginning of the Epoch. That was a Wednesday. We take it as a cut-off day and calculate the above mentioned strengths from that only.<br /><br />The last time a calender reform was done led to the formation of Vikrama sahaptha. That was the time when Sun was in zero degree Ashwini in precession. Zero Ashwini,Magam, moolam form three corners of an equilateral triangle. They form a vedha or vulnerability or critical points in space. It was akin to Trivikrama's posture. At that time rishis initiated the current Epoch. It started 2,945 years after the start of kaliyuga. <br /><br />Later, for reasons unknown, it was replaced by Salvahana saphaptha.In most stone inscriptions,the reference is to salivahana sahaptha only. <br /><br />Even then the practice was to identify each century as a saka varusham. By what name or number the identification of the saka varusham was done, is lost today. May be we have to search old texts to know them. <br /><br />Currently we write time like this :- Yuga / sahaptha year number / varusha / masa / day.<br /><br />Example:-<br />I write this comment in <br />Kailiyuga, <br />salivahana sahaptha 1932, <br />Vikrama sahaptha 2067, <br />Vikruthi varusha, <br />5th day of solar month of Chitthirai, <br />4th day of Sukla paksha adhika masa of vaikashi,<br />ravi vara, <br />Guru hora, <br />31st nazhikai. <br /><br />The last 2 in the above list are not required unless the context calls for such a detail.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-78075965267561109702010-04-18T15:54:31.051+05:302010-04-18T15:54:31.051+05:30Your posts are very informative and full of facts...Your posts are very informative and full of facts. I appreciate the effort you put. <br /><br />I wish you write about our Calendar system - dating from Kaliug. My question is simple - Do we have a calendar system which uniquely identifies a day? So that we can switch over to it, instead of writing 18 apr 2010 CE let us say we write 18 Chitrai nnnn Kaliug.Ramanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03126336129446486077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-20065277402763588002010-03-26T17:03:30.268+05:302010-03-26T17:03:30.268+05:30Thank you Mr V.
I am very glad to know that the w...Thank you Mr V.<br /><br />I am very glad to know that the write up is useful. <br /><br />Hindu system is a very organized body of knowledge. Astrology is goal oriented, i.e., using the knowledge of astronomy for the benefit of mankind. <br /><br />'Sukha' is the goal of any vedic concept. Sarve janah sukhino bhvanthu. Even if there is an element of malefic nature in something, divert it for 'sukha' or your happiness - this is the way vedic religion works. <br /><br />Please ask me questions or doubts if you have any, I am happy to search answers for them.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-19584941520976877092010-03-26T15:30:00.341+05:302010-03-26T15:30:00.341+05:30Thanks jayasree ma'am. Reading your and Koenra...Thanks jayasree ma'am. Reading your and Koenraad Elst's blog gives so much of useful info. <br /><br />This is the first time I am coming across this argument of various ways of looking at Hindu Astrology. Almost all the elders I talked to on this subject gave half baked answers. Elst's was the strongest on "hellenistic influences" so far and I think your reply is taking Elst's analysis into differnet dimension. I hope more on this topic on this blog further ahead.<br /><br />These days, thanks to our hectic life styles, it is really tough find various things about our culture and our philosophies. Thirsty ones like me take a refuge under blogs like yours, Elst's and many others.CodeNameVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07837175663655643348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-47959093124619522952010-03-24T11:55:27.264+05:302010-03-24T11:55:27.264+05:30One instance is what was reported yesterday. There...One instance is what was reported yesterday. There was a big fire in Kolkatta and there were 3 more fire accidents in different places yesterday. Right from the time Moon entered Martian constellation ( M-Sheersha) and came within the 10th aspect of Saturn and also got associated with the nodes, fire accidents had happened! <br /><br />Moon in Martian star, and Mars in saturn's star and Saturn in Sun's star make a combination that ignites fire. (Mars and Sun are associated with fire). But we can not just like that say that whenever moon moves in Martian and sun's constellation, fire will break out. There must be present other features by association or aspect to make that happen.<br /><br />In contrast, these thithis are more malefic - even in the absence of helping connection from other entities. It is better not to try out mundane jobs on these thithis. <br /><br />Similarly look at Baranai and Kritthikai. They are lorded by Yama and Agni respectively. Solar days on these stars called as agni nakshathra days. Not just for the heat of summer, but also for the malefic nature of those days. <br /><br />Moon's transit on these stars are also considered to be malefic on 3 counts.<br />1) travel will be a failure,<br />2) money lent on these days will not be returned.<br />3)sickness that starts on these days will prolong.<br /><br />The first 2 are within our control. If we avoid those activities (travel and lending), it will be better. <br /><br />Perhaps to deter people from venturing out on such prohibited activities, vrathams had been recommended. Particularly Kritthikai is earmarked for vratham. <br /><br />The malefic thithis I mentioned in the article are known for failure in travel. In travel- muhurtha, the Paksha Chidra (these thithis are collectively known as this) are prohibited. These thithis also are earmarked for vrathams. <br /><br />Similarly the chathur masa vratham stipulated for sanyasis seems to be aimed at reducing the inconvenience during rainy season.The sanyasis are supposed to keep moving from place to place. Movement in rainy season will be difficult. A vratham during those 4 months would be a better idea to avert inconvenience and also in tune with their principles.<br /><br />The amazing feature in the case of thithis is that the thithis have some relevance in astronomical sense too, as moon moves around the earth. <br /><br />The best part is Ashtami and Navami when the combined Luni-solar influence on earth will be minimal. The Gods have chosen those thithis for their avatars and that was well received by our elders who utilized them for the twin - benefits (avoidance of travel, meditation / fasting on gods).<br /><br />Hope this explains.<br />Please feel free to ask questions, Mr KRS. I browsed your blogs and am convinced that you are genuinely asking these questions. I will try me best to answer. If you don't agree with my answer, do let me know.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-1102383887708617812010-03-24T11:55:14.882+05:302010-03-24T11:55:14.882+05:30Dear Mr KRS,
I think i have not yet answered this...Dear Mr KRS, <br />I think i have not yet answered this question:)<br /><br />>>>One small question!<br />Even though the thithis get tagged, is it only for the avatars?<<<<br /><br />Nowhere it is said (in astrological texts) that thithis get tagged for avatars. What is said is that the lord of the thithi or star is worshiped on those thithis and stars. <br /><br />Among thithis, lord of<br />Chathurthi = Ganapathy<br />Sashiti = Kumara (Subrahmanya)<br />Panchami = sarpa<br />Dasami = Naga (naga prarthishtai done on dasami too)<br />Dwadasi = Vishnu<br /><br />Among stars <br />Thiruvadhirai = Rudran<br />Ayilyam = sarpam <br />Thiruvonam = Vishnu<br /><br />The muhurtha rules for installation for deities lay specific stress on thithi-choice for the deity connected to it. I have given the deity - thithi combination in the article.<br /><br />From these, it is seen that avatara is not the criterion. <br />For Ashtami, the lord is Parameswaran<br />For Navami, the lord if Vasu.<br /><br />But our elders have opted for Krishna and Rama for these thithis. Only in these two thithis, avatara connection is seen. <br /><br />Let us see some interesting coincidences and rationale in some cases(already I brought out some of them in the article).<br /><br />The thithis mentioned in the article (4,6,8,9,14) are malefic thithis which are not suitable for mundane activities. Death, war, fire related activities, making weapons, cutting etc are best suited for these thithis in general. What is implied is that if one undertakes auspicious activities in those thithis, misfortunes will result, as the nature of those days will be to make happen what I said above. <br /><br />You may dismiss this as rubbish.<br />I am not able to say so, because as a keen observer of the happenings around me, I can see these things happen!<br /><br />(cont'd)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-37857580761320452102010-03-24T09:29:14.783+05:302010-03-24T09:29:14.783+05:30Dear Mr KRS,
>>athai appave padichitten...n...Dear Mr KRS,<br /><br />>>athai appave padichitten...neraya additional kELvi irunthuchi, not just one or two...so finger on the lips and I am a quiet boy :)<<<br /><br />Better come out with your additional questions. I might have missed some salient points. I will also know where I missed and search for explanations. <br /><br />If the source article you refer is tamilhindu.com articles, definitely there will be some questions as I have left scope for questions on rainfall at many places. The focus was Paavai nonbu as told in Tamil texts. I told the editor that I am reserving some explanations when asked by the readers. To my disappointment no one had asked till today.<br /><br />Now you say that you have questions, better ask. If I don't know the answers, I will get into the subject again (rainfall form astrology and Paavai nonbu details in Tamil)to know more. <br /><br />enna onnu, I lack the acumen to write short answers and interesting answers:) Otherwise, as far as I am concerned I am keen on knowing facts in and out and recording them here so that interested ones may be benefited. <br /><br />I am expecting your questions - either here or in tamilhindu article on paavai nonbu.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-69777734399364758122010-03-24T04:23:01.089+05:302010-03-24T04:23:01.089+05:30Thanks ma, for the wonderful details!
//The rainf...Thanks ma, for the wonderful details!<br /><br />//The rainfall angle is perhaps connected to Paavai nonbu criteria which I have written in this blog and in www.tamilhindu.com//<br /><br />athai appave padichitten...neraya additional kELvi irunthuchi, not just one or two...so finger on the lips and I am a quiet boy :)Kannabiran, Ravi Shankar (KRS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01067400922164932493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-43534086703387036492010-03-23T21:42:25.460+05:302010-03-23T21:42:25.460+05:30Thanks Mr SuryaThanks Mr SuryaJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-33217199120007445102010-03-23T21:40:45.054+05:302010-03-23T21:40:45.054+05:30Dear Mr KRS,
Yes, thithis are for vrathams, but ...Dear Mr KRS, <br /><br />Yes, thithis are for vrathams, but there are times when some stars also are observed for vrathams. The individual observes the vratham.<br /><br />Let me explain. <br />There are 2 ways of celebrating Gokulashtami according to rishis - Suddhai and Viddhai. Suddhai is followed by those desirous of moksha and Viddhai is followed by those wishing to get mundane benefits. <br /><br />In Viddhai, thithi takes precedence. Gokulashtami vratham (fasting) starts at the beginning of Ashtami thithi and ends at the end of the thithi. Rohini may or may not have started then or lasted for long hours in that thithi. <br /><br />In Suddhai, the star at the time of sun rise is the deciding factor for celebration. Fasting is anyway done by the devotees, but they do the pooja without any expectation as they are steeped on Moksha- path - which demands that they don't even ask for moksha! That is an extreme condition and also a necessary condition that helps in renunciation of every kind of fruit of action. <br /><br />I think I am going too deep into the subject.<br />Suffice it to say that thithis are suitable for ritualistic and spiritual sadhanas.<br /><br />People used to fast on stars also such as on Shravana. Shravana is lorded by Vishnu. It is Suddhai way where fasting or meditation is not aimed at any fruit (except Moksha). <br /><br />The utsavams in temples are star based where poojas, homas, feasting, processions etc are done involving the community. <br />One exception may be karthikai deepam. <br /><br />On kaarthikai pournami, the emphasis is on Pournami (the thithi). That means it is connected to some fruits. Even if kritthikai star is not there at that time of moon-rise and even if there is a lunar eclipse, deepam must be lit. That helps in larger good - say, for averting epidemics and for good rainfall in the next season. It is also for the benefit of the ruler.<br /><br />Perhaps the lighting of oil lamps in the damp and cold night(s) of Karthikai, keeps at bay the growth of harmful micro organisms thereby averting the outbreak of any epidemic. <br /><br />The rainfall angle is perhaps connected to Paavai nonbu criteria which I have written in this blog and in www.tamilhindu.com <br /><br />These details on how to perform SreeJayanthi and Karthikai deepam can be read in the astrological text called Kalaprakasika in this link <br /><br />http://books.google.co.in/books?id=e_8MaBfTncgC&pg=PP7&lpg=PP7&dq=kalaprakasika+translation&source=web&ots=7096Yp5mnG&sig=_pN0EIEn38u-y2pjz277r4gtheM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#v=onepage&q=&f=falseJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.com