tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post8630633079227234051..comments2024-03-18T22:56:06.696+05:30Comments on Jayasree Saranathan: A big thanks to Ms Jayalalithaa for restoring Tamil New Year in Chiththirai. (or) Who is a Tamilian?Jayasree Saranathan http://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-76028224000911618002012-04-14T17:58:46.852+05:302012-04-14T17:58:46.852+05:30read this blog to learn more about shiva lingam
h...read this blog to learn more about shiva lingam<br /><br />http://madhavipanthal.blogspot.com/2008/06/blog-post.html<br /><br />மெய்யுணர்வோம்Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-14272635667870438312012-04-14T17:50:47.860+05:302012-04-14T17:50:47.860+05:30நல்ல கருத்துக்கள் .....ஆனால் ஒரு தவறு...தமிழர்கள் ...நல்ல கருத்துக்கள் .....ஆனால் ஒரு தவறு...தமிழர்கள் முன்னாளில் ஆன்மிகவாதிகள் அது பிறகு சைவமாகவும்....வைணவ்மாகவும்...பிறகு....இந்து மதமாகவும் மாறியது....ஆன்மிகம் என்பது பகுத்து மெய் உணர்வது.......<br /><br />இன்றய பகுத்தறிவாதிகள்...பகுத்தவுடனே இதுதான் உண்மை என முடிவு செய்கின்றார்கள்...மெய் உணர மறக்கின்றார்கள்...<br /><br />அல்லது..ஆன்மிகம் மற்றும் மெய்யுணர்தலையும் மதம் என்று தவறாக கொள்கின்றார்கள்<br /><br />மெய்யுணர்வோம்.....அன்புடன்Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-84230690943364408352012-04-13T18:42:34.441+05:302012-04-13T18:42:34.441+05:30Mr Arivan,
//அதை விட பெரிய உட்டாலக்கடி அப்படியை த...Mr Arivan,<br /><br />//அதை விட பெரிய உட்டாலக்கடி அப்படியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு சமயம் சார்ந்தது என்று கொண்டாலும் அதை இந்து சமயம் என்று சொல்வது அதை விட அபத்தம்.//<br /><br />Today New year is being celebrated all over Tamilnadu. Who celebrated it? where did they go as part of celebration? Need to say that it was Hindus and in Hindu temples?Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-86246565270156914722012-04-13T18:38:01.122+05:302012-04-13T18:38:01.122+05:30Hello Mr Arivan,
Expand your knowledge. You have ...Hello Mr Arivan, <br />Expand your knowledge. You have to go along way to understand how every idea that you have said is wrong. May be to begin with, you can start reading my posts in <br />http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/<br /> <br />Start from the first post in that site.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-12360516940404097912012-04-13T08:15:49.079+05:302012-04-13T08:15:49.079+05:30Most of the claims in this post looks childish and...Most of the claims in this post looks childish and rubbish to me..let's see..<br />||The Tamil New Year is essentially a religious festival of the Tamils which is Hindu in essence.<br />தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு கொண்டாட்டங்கள் மதக் கொண்ட்டாட்டம் பின்பற்றி வந்தது அல்ல.<br /><br />அதை விட பெரிய உட்டாலக்கடி அப்படியை தமிழ்ப் புத்தாண்டு சமயம் சார்ந்தது என்று கொண்டாலும் அதை இந்து சமயம் என்று சொல்வது அதை விட அபத்தம்.1600 களுக்கு முன்னர் இந்துக் கலாச்சாரம் என்று ஒன்று இருந்தால் தரவுகளுடன் தரவும்.. :)<br /><br />||Hinduism has been the religion of the Tamils from times of yore.||<br /><br />இது அடுத்த உட்டாலக்கடி..பழந்தமிழர்கள் ஆறு வித சமய வழிபாடல்களைப் பின்பற்றினாலும் பெரிய அளவில் இருந்தவை முதலில் சைவமும் பின்னர் வைணவமும்.. 'இந்து' உப்புமா கிண்டியதெல்லாம் பிற்காலத்தில்.<br /><br />விவேகானந்தர் காலத்தில் கூட 'சனாதன' தர்மத்தைப் பற்றித்தான் பேசுகிறார்..இந்து சமயத்தைப் பற்றி அல்ல..<br /><br />இல்லாத ஒன்றை கட்டமைப்பது சிலருக்குக் கைவந்த கலை; சேர்த்துக் கட்டமைக்கப் பட்ட சமத்கிருதம் போல !<br /><br />||The Sangam assemblage that any Tamilian takes pride of, was initiated and headed by Lord Shiva. Any composition of Sangam text was dedicated to Lords Shiva, Goddess Saraswathy etc. Such being the background culture of the Tamils, I dare to say that only those who continue to stick to Hinduism can be considered as Tamils, ||<br /><br />இது அடுத்த உப்புமா..சங்கம் வளர்த்த சிவம் பற்றிய தரவுகள் இருக்கு..இடையில சரஸ்வதியம்மா எங்கேர்ந்து வந்தாங்க?<br />இந்து' உப்புமா கிண்டினாத்தான் அவங்க தமிழர்களா இருக்கனுமா? சிப்பு சிப்பா வருது..<br /><br />||They want to claim yourselves as Tamils and not want to give up the language. Giving up a language would not do any harm. But giving up the deity of the land would do. More important than the language is the deity that guarded this land. By giving up these deities / by ignoring them, they have no right to claim any connection to Tamil lands and its basic culture which is Hindu.||<br />தமிழன் என்று சொன்னால் அவன் இந்து' என்று அடையாளப் படுத்தப் படவேண்டிய அவசியம் இல்லை;தமிழர் பண்பாடு பல தரப்பட்ட கடவுள் கொள்கையை அனுமதித்தாலும்,தமிழர் நெறி சைவ நெறியாக மட்டும் இருந்திருக்கிறது; சிவத்தை சமத்கிருத வாதிகள் கடத்தியது போல,சைவ நெறியையும் கடத்தி 'இந்து'க் கட்டமைப்பு உருவானது.✨முருகு தமிழ் அறிவன்✨https://www.blogger.com/profile/11802717200764379909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-42058622953478199112011-09-06T15:32:29.326+05:302011-09-06T15:32:29.326+05:30http://books.google.co.in/books?id=tk-KZmcUEvAC&am...http://books.google.co.in/books?id=tk-KZmcUEvAC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=gnanasambanda+jains&source=bl&ots=efj0CNCFsi&sig=-abcHM9-L4VnS5geEk8S8sMVyfc&hl=en&ei=KwpgTr2xF4i38gOTzdjaDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=gnanasambanda%20jains&f=false<br /><br /><br />This link gives the passages from a book that recorded the events and meetings between Maraimalai Adigal, certain vested interests and Self Respect movement people of Periyar. It is obvious that is jealousy and craving for power that molded their anti-brahmin movement which in effect resulted in abusing the original import of Tamil texts and Tamil's culture.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-29389826704558228492011-08-30T13:49:20.211+05:302011-08-30T13:49:20.211+05:30//Further, Maraimalai was no Tamil scholar himself...//Further, Maraimalai was no Tamil scholar himself. //<br /><br />In this context I wish to state that a Tamil scholar is not qualified to sit judgment on a festival. Let me explain like this. <br /><br />Suppose we plan a function - marriage function for example - in our family. The marriage of coursed involves the members of the family. But for fixing the date and conduction of the function, we have to consult astrologers and preists respectively. Even though we may be roughly aware of these two issues, we would not take a decision on this without consulting these two people.<br /><br />Similarly Tamil New Year is a festival. In this, the religious authorities and astrologers come in to the picture. The astrological advice is needed to know when the festival starts because at times the entry of Sun into the rasi may happen at evening or night. There are astrological rules to decide on issues like this.<br /><br />In Manimekalai, first chapter, the decision to do Indra Viza is explained. There it is said சமயக் கணக்கரும், அமயக் கணக்கரும் decided when to do and how to do the festival. Who are these people or what kind of people are they?<br /><br />They are <br />’மெய்த்திறம் வழக்கு நன்பொருள் வீடெனும்<br />இத்திறம் தத்தம் இயல்பினில் காட்டும்<br />சமயக் கணக்கரும் தந்துறை போகிய<br />அமயக் கணக்கரும்”<br /><br />Samayak kaNakkar are those who have understood the concept of Moksha and also live accordingly. They are samayak kuravargaL - the religious leaders.<br /><br />Amayak kaNakkar are those who have excelled in their field of study of Time. They are the astrologers. These two sections of people only sat together and decided about the festival of Indra Viza. It is customary to celebrate Indra viza for 28 days starting Chithrai star in Panguni and ending on Chithra pournami in the month of Chiththirai. Even though the time and modalities are known to everybody, these two sections get involved every time the festival is celebrated.<br /><br />To quote an example in recent times, 2 Maha Shivarathri dates occurred 2 years ago. The religiosu leaders and astrologers discussed and arrived at a decision based on precedence, rules of Maha Shivarathri and astrological rules. That is how any festival is decided.<br /><br />How can a Maraimalai adikal or Tamil poets or atheistic MK talk about the festival, its date, ikts background etal? <br /><br />Moreover Tamil literature is not the place to look for clues on Tamil New Year. Astrological texts and religious texts are the places to see.<br /><br />They must refer to Idaikkaattu siddhar's works on Tamil New Year and the 60 year cycle. <br />Another Tamil work where the details are available are numerous Naadi manuscripts in Tamil. The Naadi readers have a list of terminology for reading the script. There Chiththirai is referred as 'Muthal maatham' and Pangkuni as "kadai maatham.' Based on this there comes references to 4th month (aadi), 7th month (aippasi) and so on. <br /><br />These are the places where one has to look for festivals and issues of astrology and not sangam literature which are about life style and culture.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-13241109729123809322011-08-30T12:23:36.162+05:302011-08-30T12:23:36.162+05:30It is heartening to note that common sense has onc...It is heartening to note that common sense has once again prevailed in Tamil Nadu with the restoration of the Chitrai Varuda pirappu in April. This is what our mothers, grand mothers and great grand mothers had been celebrating in our homes and families for a very long time. Thank you for this news item. The Tamil new year is in April.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-6556474710161952232011-08-30T07:25:18.076+05:302011-08-30T07:25:18.076+05:30This is very good news and a welcome development. ...This is very good news and a welcome development. The Tamil new year has always been in April, never in January. Karunanidhi merely shifted it to create a new calendar in his name. He was egotistical. Further, Maraimalai was no Tamil scholar himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-29861119888275491342011-08-28T18:43:28.631+05:302011-08-28T18:43:28.631+05:30@ Anonymous.
Thanks for sharing your views on the ...@ Anonymous.<br />Thanks for sharing your views on the astrological significance of starting Tamil New Year in Chiththirai.<br /><br />On your query of me writing astro info on this topic, I have written many articles on this topic from astrological angle. You can browse this site and read them. <br />For quick reading I am giving here 2 links from this site. <br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2009/01/absurdity-of-as-tamil-new-year.html<br /><br />http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2010/01/tamil-new-year-starts-in-chitthirai.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-16821148748109068642011-08-26T01:00:39.077+05:302011-08-26T01:00:39.077+05:30Totally with you on this. Well written. Thank you....Totally with you on this. Well written. Thank you.Sivashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00424644538796402961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-71011851631724992172011-08-25T15:36:57.170+05:302011-08-25T15:36:57.170+05:30Let us analysis from the point of astrology about ...Let us analysis from the point of astrology about chittrai and Thai month for tamil new year-<br /><br />Thai month starts when Sun transit through Makara rassi which is owned by Saturn, where Jupiter is neecha and Mars is exalted(utcham ).This is the beginning of uttrayanam, the day time for devas which is auspicious period for next 6 months.vice versa Just opposite to Makara, it is kataka -cancer owned by moon and where jupiter is exalted (utcham) and where mars (chevvai) is neecha. SO during the aadi month, when sun pass through cancer, dakshinayanm starts. since mars (mangalan) attains neecha, there is no marriage conducted during aadi month and this month is fully devoted to spiritual activites due to jupiter is exalted- so sathur masa sankalpam<br />raksha bhandan (due to mars,karaga<br />for brothers-siblings),varalakshmi<br />virtha, amman festivals,aadi amavasya,aadi krithigai for murugan, aadi velli and aadipoorum<br />the avatar day of Sri andal are celebrated in big way due to jupiters strongness in this rassi of cancer.<br />But in makara rassi- jupiter is neecha and mars-chevvai is utccha. so still weddings are conducted, rather than spiritual, festivals for farmers - pongal are celebrated by all sort of people when Bulls fightings-jalli kattu are conducted since chevvai is exalted in this sign,its animal bulls taming is popular in south the direction of mars.Chevvai should not be neecha or utccha but in own sign is okay since mars has both negative and positive gunas. since jupiter is neecha in makara, there is no spiritual festivals in Thai month like in aadi month.<br /><br />coming to mesha rassi when sun transit through mesha sign,chittrai<br />month starts.This mesha is owned by mars and where sun,atmakarghan gets exalted in mesha. So chittrai month has marriages apart from festivals of spirituality both.<br />Festivals like chittra pounami,<br />garuda sevai and floating festivals are conducted in this month similar to Aadi month.<br />But in the case of 'Thai' the festivals are not associated with spirituality but only pongal<br />for praying to sun god all associated with agriculture besides Jallikattu which is connected to mars.<br /><br />So comparing both chittrai and Thai, both are of same significance and not much of difference except chittrai being the first sign in the zodiac and edge over Thai due to its spirituality related festivals in chittrai month. <br />Therefore i request smt jayashree to give her comments on the significance connected to chittrai month compared to Thai masam from astrological point of view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-87697473049058139202011-08-24T17:55:50.092+05:302011-08-24T17:55:50.092+05:30@ mosurh.
I agree with you.@ mosurh.<br />I agree with you.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-41553575643602055852011-08-24T17:54:16.403+05:302011-08-24T17:54:16.403+05:30@ Shyam,
Yes I would agree with you on numerous ...@ Shyam, <br /><br />Yes I would agree with you on numerous manifestations, but I did not find it necessary to state in that context. Have updated the article with info from Kannagi's story.Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-36661011589723364272011-08-24T17:51:32.040+05:302011-08-24T17:51:32.040+05:30//Kindly write an article on the real meaning behi...//Kindly write an article on the real meaning behind the lingam form for our benefit. Thanks//<br /><br />I have not analyzed Shiva linga from texts. But the link you have given gives the commonly accepted info. From Brihad samhitha, I get the information that Lord Shiva had been depicted only in 2 forms, namely as Lingam and as Arthanareeshwara. That is, these were the 2 forms as per iconography of Shiva in days prior to 2000 years. <br /><br />The geological significance of Amarnath Ice linga which I wrote in the Tamil blog can be read here:-<br /><br />http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.com/2011/03/47.htmlJayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-15340829953612046762011-08-24T17:42:10.947+05:302011-08-24T17:42:10.947+05:30@ anonymous
The word 'aadi' means 'kan...@ anonymous<br />The word 'aadi' means 'kannaadi'. If you don't have the Tamil dictionary to check this meaning, get the science book of Tamil medium (8th or 9th standard) in which the lesson on Light / Refraction of Light is given. There you will find the word 'aadi'(miror) and bimbam(image) while describing refraction or reflection of light of a candle placed in front of a mirror (aadi)Jayasree Saranathan https://www.blogger.com/profile/01048252011566427834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-15741052073142698552011-08-24T15:30:09.533+05:302011-08-24T15:30:09.533+05:30dear jayashree saranathan
Earlier in your article...dear jayashree saranathan<br /><br />Earlier in your article on Aadi month of tamil, you mentioned that aadi means ''kannadi' -mirror. could you please tell me the source for this tamil meaning. pl replyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-18192623473314023982011-08-24T09:04:59.134+05:302011-08-24T09:04:59.134+05:30Thats a very brave article.But I have realised peo...Thats a very brave article.But I have realised people who want to convert are in such a state of mind logic or argument doesnt appeal to them.I have had a colleague who took this path and was not even ready discuss the merits/demerits of leaving Hinduism.All I got was I was going to Hell because I wasnt going to follow her.My response was she didnt know Hinduism properly nor did she know her new religion. <br />I completely fail to grasp this psychology where you dont accept or believe in Gods and practices practiced for centuries in your own land but are gladly willing to believe in stories from a unknown land and unknown culture.If you find it hard to believe that Hanuman jumped across Lanka, you should find it harder to believe that Jesus woke 3 days after death or the Prophet flew on a white horse in the middle of the night across a country.<br />Such is human nature you have a diamond in hand, but you want to run after a glass piece.mosurhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-91197512062033021672011-08-24T00:47:58.611+05:302011-08-24T00:47:58.611+05:30"A Tamil is one who swears allegiance to the ..."A Tamil is one who swears allegiance to the numerous Hindu Gods of this land."<br /><br />I would suggest you to use 'numerous manifestations of God' instead since the concept of God is that of Brahman manifesting as many with degrees of Sat-Chit and Ananda. In fact, our gods are not just a million, its a billion or even more. A good comparison would be how many sweets can you make with sugar? Is it only a million? The sugar is the God or Brahman, the sweets are the various manifestations and that is the reason Hindus are very comfortable with multiple gods and a pluralistic world. of course, agree with you that some of these manifestations (murugan/subramanya, shiva mainly) are essential part of the the Tamil culture and therefore inseparable as you pointed out the sangam traditions.<br /><br />Since you are from TN, you should read Rajiv Malhotra's scholarly work'Breaking India' available at Flipkart. It details the dravidian movement and the conversion happening in much detail. A must read for every Indian.<br /><br />Keep posting!<br /><br />ShyamShyamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346806117882532488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3442555339667770589.post-86097678163648041182011-08-23T23:59:42.340+05:302011-08-23T23:59:42.340+05:30Sanity has been restored by retracting the earlier...Sanity has been restored by retracting the earlier, foolish law!<br /><br />Thanks for looking into predictions of Sonia Gandhi's and India's future. <br />One more article to your attention:<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vamsee-juluri/lord-shiva-and-the-econom_b_932629.html?view=print&comm_ref=false<br />What is the significance of the Shiva Linga form? Internet searches are futile because the phallus explanation predominates. Kindly write an article on the real meaning behind the lingam form for our benefit. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com