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Recently Prime Minister Mr Narendra Modi made an observation that Tamil language shows the ‘richness’ of our country. While acknowledging that Tamil is a very old language, he went on to emphasise the importance of acquainting oneself with other languages of our country for greater integration among countrymen to make “Ek Bharat, Shresht Bharat” a reality.
Recently Prime Minister Mr Narendra Modi made an observation that Tamil language shows the ‘richness’ of our country. While acknowledging that Tamil is a very old language, he went on to emphasise the importance of acquainting oneself with other languages of our country for greater integration among countrymen to make “Ek Bharat, Shresht Bharat” a reality.
While his observation on Tamil was received with
scepticism among Tamils as a political gimmick, I find this an opportunity to
bring to the notice of others in India and outside too that Tamil as a language
contains so much information that serves as a window to not only the Indian
past but to the world at large. While the beauty of ancient Tamil that we see
in Sangam literature is proof of the ‘richness’ of our country from times when
many languages of the world have not even developed, the content of those texts
reveal a past that is not known to any in India and even many within the Tamil
speaking community. They show how the people of our country have mingled with
each other and integrated well in such a way that who we think a Tamil today
might have had his origins elsewhere in India while someone living in a remote
corner in India today might have had his remote ancestor speak Tamil!
The common thread that had united them all
is undeniably Sanatan Dharma propagated by rishis of yore.
Rishis have played a
big role in shaping the culture, philosophy and reigns of kings. Like how Vasishta’s
role is found in important events in the north, Agasthya’s name appears in
important periods of time in the South in the region of Tamils.
The inputs available in Tamil integrate well with
the inputs from the other major sources of our culture namely, Ithihasas and
Puranas and together they help us to plug the
missing links, erase the mis-conceptions and also derive the inner meanings
hidden behind the myths. With this as
the aim of this series, let me look through the window of Tamil, the amazing
past of India and even of the world where it matters.
THE ORIGIN OF TAMILS
Where did Tamils originate? A google search would
give all fanciful theories linking the origins of Tamils to anywhere in Elam or
Indus or Srilanka. Nowadays Srilanka is giving a stiff competition to Indus (propounded
by AIT protagonists) in claiming original space for olden Tamils, whereas none
of the olden Tamil texts, collectively known as “Sangam literature”
have given any inkling of hope to relate the olden Tamil to these regions. On
the other hand Sangam literature itself has become the target of neo- writers
on Tamil to create their own impression about the culture of Tamils as
something exclusive and disconnected with the rest of India.
Though there are numerous instances found in Sangam literature
to debunk this idea (which would be written in the course of this series), a
more recent one that can be linked to a recorded history of the Common Era is
given here. It pertains to the Chera King Senguttuvan.
His expedition to the Himalayas is written in the post Sangam text, Silappadhikaram.
This king had previously made a trip to North India
as a pilgrimage to the river Ganges to enable his widowed mother take a dip in
the Ganges. This implies that he himself could have done shraddha ceremony for
his departed father during that trip. {This king was in throne for 55 years and
lived for nearly 75 years. This shows that he came to throne at a young of 20
which could be possible due to demise of his father}. The reference to his pilgrimage is enough to know the culture
and religion followed in Tamil lands 2000 years ago.
On his way to the Ganges, he faced resistance from
the kingdoms that he crossed and he successfully subdued them all. So when he
decided to go the Himalayas for which he had to cross the countries of the
north, he sent a communication to all of them of his impending visit so that
they were warned against any misadventure with him.
Trumpeting of Cheran
King’s expedition to the Himalayas. (Pic courtesy)
In that communication he affixed his own seal and
also got the kings of other major Tamil lands, namely Pandyas and Cholas to
affix their seals. He did this to give the message that the impending visit was
that of Tamils as a whole. He conveyed this in
that communication.
By this it is known that Tamils were those who
came under kingdoms of Chera, Chola and Pandya. None of them had their presence
in Indus or Elam or Srilanka.
This declaration by this king happened in the first
century CE. This is known from the fact that this king was a friend of Gautamiputra
Satakarni whose time period has been documented. The name Satakarni is “Nootruvar kannar” in Tamil. He provided boats to
enable Cheran’s army to cross the Ganges. From there onwards, till their
destination in the Himalayas, they had met with some resistance.
Silappadhikaram makes a mention that this Cheran king won over the “ill-mouthed Yavanas” before reaching the Himalayas
(from where he procured the stone for making the image of Kannagi)
Gautamiputra Satakarni in coin
A cross reference comes from the Nashik
inscription on the mother of Gautamiputra Satakarni that her son
(Satakarni) subdued Yavanas too besides Shakas and Pahlavas. There is no other
reference to when and how he made this happen. But just 2 lines from
Silappadhikaram on the Cheran king’s victory over Yavanas give a complete
picture of what happened.
In Mahabharata, the Yavanas, Shakas and Pahlavas are
grouped together as having kinship among themselves. Their location was in North
West India at the base of Himalayas which is in today’s Pakistan or Afghanistan.
It is obvious that the stone for making the deity was collected from that part
of the Himalayas for which the Cheran army and Satakarni army had gone
together. They had faced resistance from the Yavanas and others but
successfully overpowered them.
The exact cause for the war with them can be guessed
from the Tamil text. It refers to the Yavanas as “ill-mouthed”
(van sol). The Yavanas must have hurled abuses at the Cheran king and Satakani
which was promptly paid back by them.
This victory has found a mention in the Nashik
inscription while it finds a fleeting mention in Silappadhikaram. The absence of
reference to Pahlavas and Shakas is due to the fact all Mlecchas were referred
to as Yavanas in Tamil texts.
Such a major victory over
Yavanas by the Cheran king has been ignored by Tamils themselves.
Important to our context is that fact that Tamils and their location were centred
on South Indian lands of Tamilnadu and Kerala of today and not in other places.
A search into the roots of the three dynasties that claimed themselves as
Tamils could provide an answer to their origins.
These dynasties were those of Pandyas, Cholas and
Cheras, There was a fourth one too, the VeLirs on whom there
are several poems in the Sangam Literature. A search into their roots throws
amazing and unexpected information t on the past and lost history of India.
The first three, Pandyas, Cholas and Cheras find
mention in the Mahabharata. Of them, Pandyas find mention in Valmiki Ramayana
too, thereby indicating that Pandyas were the earliest and oldest dynasty that
ruled over Tamils.
PANDYAS
Pandyas were known as Thennavan or Thennan (Southerners). The land ruled by them was mentioned in many places of Sangam literature as Thennan Desam (Southern country). The repeated reference to their location in the South negates any theory of Tamils as having lived in the Indus or Elam region and migrated later to the present day Tamilnadu, which AIT proponents want us to believe. It was the Pandyas (not Cholas or Cheras) who developed Tamil as a refined language and made attempts to encourage use of grammatical Tamil. This, they did with the aid and guidance of sage Agasthya who taught worship of Sun (Adithya Hridhayam) to Rama in the war against Ravana.
A reference to an earlier Pandyan comes in Raghu Vamsam written by Kalidasa (6th
chapter), wherein it is stated that a Pandyan king attended the Swayamvar
(self-choice) of Princess Indumathi. Indumathi chose Aja as her suitor. Aja was
the father of King Dasharatha and grandfather of Rama.
A cross reference to the existence of Pandyas during
the time of Rama and Ravana is available in the inscriptions unearthed in a
place called Sinnamanur in Theni district in
South Tamilnadu. It says that an earlier Pandyan king made the Ten-headed one
(Ravana) buy peace with him.
In the Sanskrit part of the inscriptions, it is
written "Dasaanan
sandheepa rakshakaara". In Tamil the same is written as "dasavathanan saarbaaka sandhu
seithum".
The reference to
Ravana in Pandyan inscriptions goes to show that Ramayana was not a myth but
happened in a decipherable past.
There is another reference to a Pandyan king in the
above displayed part of the inscription that says that he conquered Arjuna!
PANDYAS IN MAHABHARATA
As a cross reference from Mahabharata we do come
across two names of Pandyans who fought on the side of Pandavas and one who fought
on the side of Kauravas. There was one Sarangadwaja
Pandya who nursed a grouse against Krishna of Dwaraka. The issue was
Krishna had once annexed Pandyan’s country and killed the father of
Sarangadwaja. He wanted to take revenge on Krishna by destroying Dwaraka. But
his friends discouraged him against that (Mahabharata 7-23). It is not
known from Mahabharata whether he took part in the war or not. But the
reference to a Pandyan king in the above mentioned inscription shows that he or
some other Pandyan king at some time during the Mahabharata war or at some
other war stood against the Pandavas and scored a victory too.
There is however a full chapter in Mahabharata
dedicated to the valorous fight put up by a Pandyan king by name Malayadwaja Pandya against the Kauravas. (Mahabharata
8-20) He was killed by Ashwatthama in the war.
Yet another Pandyan king had fought for Kauravas and
was killed by the Pandavas (Mahabharata 9-2). Though Pandyans were of
the same dynasty, siblings or cousins of the clan could have ruled over
different parts of the kingdom with exclusive control over those regions. This
was common practice in those days. That is how we come across 3 kings of
Pandyan stock taking part in Mahabharata war with different intentions.
The reference to Pandya – Ravana treaty of peace in
Sinanmanur inscriptions shows that they had geographical proximity with each
other. Only if the Pandyas were in the South, the geographical proximity with
Ravana could have happened and any trouble from him was successfully thwarted
by the Pandyas which made Ravana buy peace with them.
LOCATION OF PANDYAS IN VALMIKI RAMAYANA
The location of Pandyan kingdom gets mention in
Valmiki Ramayana in Sugreeva’s description of the countries in the southern
direction to the vanaras who were searching for Sita. This was not in today’s
Tamilnadu as we know of Pandyan kingdom in the recorded history of the Common
Era. It was in a place that finds mention in Sangam age poems. Sugreeva refers
to the Pandyan kingdom at Kavaatam. (कवाटम् पाण्ड्यानाम् – Valmiki
Ramayana, chapter 41 -19)
Kavaatam was the capital city of Pandyas during a
time known as 2nd Sangam Age. Today this place is no longer in the
map of the world. It was submerged in the sea after which the Pandyan king
along with survivors of his kingdom entered Indian mainland through Kollam
(Quilon) in today’s Kerala.
From the commentary of Adiyarku
Nallar (13th or 14th century), it is known that
another Kollam existed in the past which was a peak in a range of mountains. This
in all probability was an extension of the Western Ghats that ran into the
Indian Ocean up to Madagascar. It was submerged and from there the Pandyan
entered present day land in South India. Perhaps where he entered came to be
called as Kollam (of today).
In the map above, a chain of mountains can be seen
in the Indian Ocean which is an extension of the Western Ghats. On the southern
of tip of present day India, to the south of Cape Comorin (Kumari) some raised mountain
structures can be seen under water. As per Tamil sources (Adiyarku Nallar’s
commentary) Kumari mountains having several peaks were once in existence where
a river by name Kumari was flowing.
Kumari was different from Kavaatam. There was a separate
river by name Pahruli flowing somewhere near Kavaatam. All these are now lost
to the seas, but were very much in existence during Ramayana times. These ranges now under water contain
a hidden history – not in a distant past – that needs to be explored by marine
archaeologists. Perhaps subsidence on the ocean floor or of the ranges
themselves caused the submergence.
AGASTHYA MYTHS ON SUBSIDENCE
The region at the southern end of India must have
had some instability in the past as Sugreeva had said in his description, that
one part of Mahendra mountains went under water while another part of it
remained visible. Sugreeva does not say this as a matter of fact but adds that
the sage Agasthya made this happen by pressing down a part of the mountain.
This is where and how an element of mythical or secret
idea is inserted by the writers who happen to be sages (Valmiki, the
writer of this Epic). In contrast the Tamil poets of yore have been more open
and described a single feature in many ways so that we understand what they
originally wanted to say as a secret (hidden idea)!
Agasthya at Koneri Rajapuram Nataraja temple.
Wherever subsidence of land is referred to or
reported, there Agasthya’s name is involved! One such instance was the sudden
push-down of a part of the Himalayas (near Mt Kailash) which was linked to the
wedding of Shiva and Parvathy by the sages. According to them huge attendance
to witness that marriage caused the land to be pushed down. As a result, the
southern part rose up in a kind of see-saw movement. Shiva sent Agasthya to the
south to make the land even with the north.
Though this narration deserves to be dismissed as a
myth, what is actually revealed is a geological event of a lowering of a part
of Himalayas near Kailash followed by a successive movement of rise and fall of
some part of land to the south of the Himalayas. If the
sages had just recorded the geological event in the Puranas, no one would have remembered
the event, not even the location. But when a story is weaved around it, people
tend to remember it.
When we try to locate these regions, we do find them
within the Himalayan region near Kedarnath. There is a legend around Triyugi Narayan
temple in Rudraprayag district that Shiva – Parvati marriage took place
there. To the south of it is located a place by name Agasthyamuni
which houses the temple of Agasthya. Their locations in different
altitudes give an impression that the myth addresses some anomaly found or
experienced in these two places. Triyugi Narayan temple is higher at 1980
metres while Agasthyamuni is located at a height of 1000 metres. A kind of
tilting of these two locations could have happened in the past which finally
came to rest at the present day levels with Agasthyamuni found in a lower place.
This had been recorded by the rishis as a myth around Agasthya.
It is really amazing how these remote and colder
regions in the Himalayas were visited by the rishis and even inhabited by them
in the remote past. They had identified divine spots there and even observed
the geology around them and encapsulated them in unforgettable stories for
humanity to remember forever.
What is conveyed is that Agasthya is a symbol of
land subsidence wherever it had happened. (Agasthya is also connected with
water myths which will be discussed in the course of this series).
Subduing the Vindhya ranges
is another instance involving Agasthya. Yet another one was mentioned by
Sugreeva of the Mahendra mountain. By bringing
in Agasthya’s name, Sugreeva made it clear that this mountain is different from
the Mahendra giri where Parashurama spent his
time. It is from the visible part of Mahendra mountain mentioned by Sugreeva
that Hanuman made his leap to Lanka.
Agasthya was the family priest of Pandyas like how
Vashishta was for the lineage of Rama. Agasthya was always connected with the
southern quarters and this also puts the Pandyan location
in the southern realms.
But looking at the south of India, only vast stretches
of Hindu Maha Sagar is staring at us. The loss of Kavaatam, Kollam and Kumari
ranges in the Indian Ocean throws up a possibility of scattering of the people
who once lived there, to other parts of the ocean. Traces of Tamil language and
some olden practices of Tamils were some of the clues to identify those
populations which could further substantiate the claims of existence of olden
Tamils under Pandyas in the southern ocean.
There exists one practice identifiable with Tamils,
found in some of the south Asian islands in the eastern part of Indian Ocean and
as far as Pacific Ocean.
It is the tradition of ‘fire-walking’.
FIRE-WALKING IN SOUTH ASIA
Fire-
walking is very wide-spread in Tamil lands even today. In the contemporary
world no other people conduct the fire-walking events as Tamils do. And this
has been a continuing practice from an undated past. Though there is no written
/ literary record for it, the fact remains that it exists till today with a
religious fervour of devotion in the form of an allegiance to a deity and as a
ritual of propitiation .
But this purpose is diluted or non-existent in fire-walking
ceremonies in other south Asian countries where it exists as a remnant of aN
olden practice or as a recently introduced practice.
Among those places, Vanuatu in south Pacific
nation requires special attention. It is because this place (a group of 82
islands having 83 languages spoken among themselves) has an archaeological
history of occupation that started around 3300 years before present. That is
roughly the time Pandyan land of Kavaatam was lost to the seas and Pandyas
entered Indian mainland to set up their capital in present day Madurai.
Location of Vanuatu in the globe.
Though the languages have a mix of English and
French from later day colonists, what interests us is the names of places that
sound Tamil! The names of places must have continued from the very beginning of
occupation with little modification in course of time.
Some of the names that sound very much Tamil are
Malakula (people of hill)
Ambae (mother)
Tanna (Thennai – coconut),
Arawe (aravu – snake),
Tangoa (thengu – Coconut),
Uri (strip, hanging pot holder)
Toga (thogai - plumage )
Araki (arakki – female demon)
Names such as Tutuba, Iririki etc having same words
repeated twice are common in Tamil.
Another feature of this place is that the natives
make and consume a drink called Kava or Kavakava (again a repetitive word) from a kind of
pepper plant Piper methysticum.
This is supposed to reduce short time anxiety. Such anxiety is known as ‘kavalai’ In Tamil. The drink having the name ‘kava’
gives an interesting connection to the Tamil word ‘kavalai'.
Now comes the major similarity. The natives of
Vanuatu are known for doing fire-walking which they call as fire-dance. This is
a major tourist attraction.
Pic courtesy: http://www.santotoday.com/mavoonlefu.htm
This cannot have started as a past time, but
anything other than that. Though there are other regions in the Indian and
Pacific Ocean having some resemblance to the practices of Tamil people and even
phonetic connection to Tamil, what stands out differently is the practice of
fire –walking.
SITA'S ORDEAL BY FIRE, A CASE OF FIRE-WALKING?
One will be surprised to know that the practice of
fire-walking is traced to Sita’s Agni Pariksha in Srilanka. The cultural events
arranged for tourists in Srilanka contain the event of fire walking too, which
is explained as something done by Sita to prove her loyalty to Rama!
In India the popular belief is that Sita entered a
huge pyre of fire. It is impossible for a mortal to come out of such fire
unhurt. Both a divine element and a mythical element are added to this episode
of Sita. This makes Ramayan story a non-reality. But if it so happened that Sita walked on the smouldering
fire, it is absolutely possible that she escaped death by fire.
Preparation of the pyre for fire walking in Draupadi
Amman temple in Udappu, Srilanka
Srilanka does have traces of Ramayana and there are two
places that retain the names of Ravana times. One is Mathale
in Central part of Srilanka and another is Negombo
in the west course.
Mathale is phonetically similar to Matali, the charioteer of Rama in the war with Ravana.
Negombo sounds like Nikumbi,
the guardian deity of Lanka whom Hanuman over powered and who was worshiped by
Indrajit to win over Rama. The location of Negombo in the sea shore in west
raises the chances of this connection to be true. Hanuman met with Nikumbila
soon after arriving at the west coast of Lanka in the description of Valmiki Ramayana.
Sita Eliya was an olden
name for “Sita’s light” among the locals. Today it is changed into Nuwara
Eliya. A location supposed to be Ashoka vana has been identified in Sita Eliya
in Srilanka.
Stream in Sita Eliya where Sita was believed to have
met Hanuman.
The only Ashoka tree found in the area is shown by
the arrow.
Though lot more is needed to be done by way of
research, local traditions cannot be ignored. A number of local traditions
exist in Srilanka connected with Ramayana. The surprising name connections also
cannot be ignored.
FIRE-WALKING IN TAMIL LANDS
FIRE-WALKING IN TAMIL LANDS
Fire-walking is regular annual feature in temple festivals
in Tamilnadu even today. This is mostly done in Amman
(Equivalent of Devi / Kali / Mariamma) temples and Draupadi
temples. Unknown to many in India, temples for Draupadi are there in
remote regions in Tamilnadu. Fire- walking is an important festival in those
temples.
There is no record of Draupadi having done
fire-walking. But devotees of this deity in Tamil lands believe that she did do
this walk after Mahabharata war to wipe out the insult done to her by disrobing
her in the court of Dritharashtra.
With scores of people doing fire walking for all
these ages with this belief in Draupadi, it could not have come up in the first
place without some such incident connected with her. Moreover the original
purpose of this act purportedly done by Draupadi was to wipe out the dishonour
and demonstrate her complete allegiance to the Lord – in her case the Pandavas.
One can attribute the same spirit of allegiance to the deity in the case of
fire-walking by common people.
An examination of the
dialogues by Rama and Sita that ended with Sita entering fire would shed more
light on this issue.
After winning Ravana, Rama says that he killed
Ravana to wipe out the insult meted out to him by way of having abducted his
wife, Sita. Now that insult had been paid back, Rama was not in a position to
take back Sita in the interests of keeping up the honour of his dynasty.
Sita’s response to this was to undergo test by fire.
She did not enter fire to get perished in it. Instead she wanted to show that
fire would not harm her if she was genuinely loyal and faithful to Rama.
She made 3 statements as a kind of command to the
Fire god, all of which convey only one meaning – that she was absolutely loyal
to Rama in thought, word and action and that Fire would not harm her if this
was true.
It is in the same spirit that thousands of devotees
have walked on fire in front of temple of their Gods (Goddesses mostly) in
Tamil speaking lands in all these years.
This practice might sound primitive and unless this
was in existence in the lands of Tamils adjoining Lanka of those times, could
Sita have offered to do it?
Or is it the other way round, that it was Sita who
started the practice and from her, the people around the region started
following her –to show loyalty to whomever it matters – or to Sita herself, as
fire-walking is always done to the female deity only?
(To be continued)
Just curious have you ever seen a text of the grammar Agatiyam supposed to have been penned by Agatiyar?
ReplyDeleteWelcome Mr Ramanathan.
ReplyDeleteNo one has seen Agatheeyam as it was lost even 2000 years ago. The presently available Tholkappiyam was written by Agasthya's disciple and was based on Agatheeyam.
Dear Madam
ReplyDeletefire walking is fascinating., people come with utter faith staying overnight in a Perumal temple dressing up themselves as women decorating with flowers n kajal in eyes and thiruman sporting their forehead and first day evening they will be poured with turmeric water enroute and have to come around Draupadi amman temple till a huge pot holds vertically the sworde without any balance this is a wonder. they will have to run around continusouly till this happens, they will be whipped and poured with turmeric water.\ till this sword balances in the pot.
second day morning Duryodana & Dushasana vadham happens and female folks offer vella pongal near the temple itself and seccond day evening firewalk happens.
this happens in my location @ chennai. on these two days it will definitely rain. there is some scientific connection to this. and they chant for entire event as Govinda/ Govinda this happens in Aadi tamil month. its a 10 day event and Dharma raja/ Draupadi urchavar go in procession this happens late in evening. before firewalk day Draupadi alone comes with open hair, after firewal she ties up n come along with Dharmaraja. i hope this should happen more or less same in all Draupadi amman temples all over Tamilnadu
Thanks a lot Ms Sheela for the details. Can I Know in which part of Chennai you have seen this. Please share with me any other info on this that can be used in this series.
ReplyDeleteThe information collected by me pertains to Velir regions and in particular a village in Dharmapuri district. I noticed 2 different branches one from Mahabharata times / by people who settled in TN due to displacement from Dwaraka and another owing to the burning of Madurai by Kannagi and the tradition to appease her. There was even a Sangam age poet by name "Thee- midhi Naaganaar" or Theenmidhi Naaganar. I will be doing a separate post on fire walking and the possibility of Sita having done fire- walking and not entry into fire as in Sati.
Dear Madam,
ReplyDeletethis happens in Chintadripet Dharmaraja Draupadi amman koil., they stay overnight in Adhikesava Perumal temple nearby and in pond they do their costumes, white clothes dipped in manjal Chintadripet is known as Adhikesavapuram earlier after Britishers brought thari weavers and gave name as Chinnatharipettai. understand from Perumal temple that 6 generations before for thirumanjanam water is brought from Cooum river in procession unrecorded versions say Acharya Ramanuja has visited this temple enroute to Thiruvallikeni. so this place had more sanctity which is different now with identity as Chintadripet fish market.
coming back to this firewalking my father side family deity is Draupadiamman in Parangipettai now Tranquiebar. since we have elaborate festival here i have never visited this Parangipettai temple. now chintadripet temple premises has shrunk with houses very close but still this event is done with much fanfare all communities participate.
they believe unpious ones may be punished with casualities or even death during firewalk.
any further details required shall put you to right persons in Draupadi amman temple.
Thanks for the details Ms Sheela, you have given a very valuable link to a past history. I can see a connection here between Triplicane Partasarathy temple and Asikesava perumal Temple of Chindadripet. In my opinion someone close to Krishna's clan had consecrated Parthasarathy with his family at Triplicane which was originally Narasimha temple. Obviously they had shifted after the deluge at Byt Dwaraka, 3500 years ago, when Pandyans also lost their habitat in the southern sea due to a surge in Indian ocean. People of the same group of immigrants had settled in Chintadripet and retained their memory of Draupadi and Dharma raja. It is my strong opinion that temples of Draupadi where Duryodhana dahanam and enacting of Mahabharata are done must have been established by people who came from the regions of Mahabharata. If these temples have fire walking tradition, then fire-walking can be deemed to have a connection with Draupadi. I will get back to you if need more information on this temple.
ReplyDeletedear madam,
ReplyDeleteshall be glad to assist. one more info on chintadripet there are lot of saurashtrians here and they do the artwork of temple umbrella/decorations to Ther etc.. kodai for thirupathi for garuda sevai and for all temples go from chintadripet there is a street called iyya mudali street where this artisans live.
Absolutely fascinating research. Is there a book on the topic of Tamil people their origins and on their literature? Please let me know if such works exist. Thank you .
ReplyDeleteThanks Ms Leela.
ReplyDeleteThere must be books on Tamils' origins but invariably all of them must have been seen through Dravidian ideology. Mine is purely indigenous and based on primary texts.
Your comments on Tamils belongs to Chera or Chola or Pandya Kingdom and not the one belonging to Indus, Elam or Srilanka seems to be carefully worded with interest as Indus civilization was no more during chekuttuvon period and to it could be possible Elam or Srilanka was ruled by either Cholas or Pandas themselves
ReplyDeleteFor long Srilanka was not approached by any one from outside, mainly because that was under the control of Ravana and his descendants. During Pandyan rule, Ravana was trying to raid Tamil lands in the Indian main land. But that was thwarted by Pandya with the threat of shooting the weapon Brahma Shiras on Lanka. Ravana relented and bought peace with Pandyans.
ReplyDeleteIn those days the geography was based on Deva - Asura parameters. Lanka was an Asura land. Pumpukar was the last point of Deva land. No body from India or anywhere from northern latitudes were interested in settling down in Lanka mainly because it was categorized as Asura land. Only those from South of Lanka came and occupied it. It continued for long till Mahabharata times.
After Ravana's times, it came under his brother Vibheeshana. Till Mahabharata times we find reference only to Vibheeshana's clan in Lanka. Only during Ashoka's times migrations happened into Lanka mostly from Kalinga and Vanga countries for spread of Buddhism. There is a genetic study establishing genetic origin of Lankans (Sinhalese) to Vanga (Bengal), It was only around 1000 CE, Cholan kings started intruding into Srilanka trying to wield their authority. By then Srilanka had become completely Buddhist and apparently did not not like violence and war. That made them even say that Damilas were an-aryas (non aryan = not noble) for their thirst for war.
Most of the expeditions by Cholans did not give lasting control.Prominent example is that of Manu needi Cholan in 3rd century BCE which I will be writing in a future article in this series. He went on an expedition but was defeated and killed. Mahavamsam had recorded this. Read here: http://lakdiva.org/mahavamsa/chap025.html
But no one back home in TN bothered to know what happened to Manu needi Chola. Researchers must have definitely stumbled upon the details about his demise, but deliberately kept quiet to support the so-called Tamil nationalism.
Srilankan Tamil is not Tamil Proper, but Kodum Tamil. That was not even present in Sangam age or till the time Cholans started making expeditions. The Tamils of today in srilanka were brought to Srilanka by British rulers.
Is present lanka was lanka of ramayana or it is submerged?
ReplyDelete@Vainateya,
ReplyDeleteLanka of Ravana was in present day Srilanka. It was on top of a hill. So not submerged. Srilankans have identified certain places associated with Ravana and Ramayana war. I have visited them as a tourist. Planning to visit again for research.
Thank you madam.accroding to me saragadwaja and malayadwaja are same king that malayadwaja came to him because he ruled over Malaya mountains.
ReplyDeleteHe hated krishna and later his friend gave opinion to him that not go against krishna that he was lord vishnu(His friend may know) later that arjuna was on 1 year exile on forest he may came south and pandiya sarangadwaja or malayadwaja fought with him( I don't know reason) and defeated arjuna according to pandhya inscription and due to bravery of arjuna pandiya king gave his daughter to arjuna and due to father in law of arjuna he sided with pandavar .This is my opinion.
@ Vainateya.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment.
I have given all the available references on Pandya kings in the war front in Mahabharata. Pandyans had fought from both sides, so it is clear that two different Pandyan kings were there fighting on opposite sides. With a difference in name appearing, we cannot take them as one without another cross reference. So a third Pandyan king also might have engaged in the battle. It is common to have many kings of the same dynasty in those days. Eg: 9 kings of Cholas were defeated by the Chola king, who happened to be the brother in law of Chera king Senguttuvan.
Sinnamanur inscription tells that Vijaya was defeated by a Pandyan king, but the verse continues to refer to the war of Kurus. So that reference must be about a Pandyan king fighting on the side of Kauravas and engaged in a fight with Arjuna in Mahabharata war. Arjuna must have lost that war and retreated, is what we make out from that verse. For marriage you have mentioned, please provide evidence.
I don't know the evidence madam.I heard it somewhere.who was the pandiya king during krishna attended tamil sangam ?.Is the king a direct lineage of meenakshi or some other pandiya kingdom . krishna defeated pandyas of meenakshi lineage or other pandiya kingdoms?
ReplyDelete@Vainateya,
ReplyDeleteI have given whatever evidences are there in Mahābhārata.
No info on pandyan king’s name when Krishna attended the assembly.
We can assume that only direct lineage existed in that ancient time.
The eldest always ruled from capital. His siblings & cousins also given rulership of different zones of the country. Read my Ramanuja series where I produced evidence of ‘king of king’ ruling from capital and others as just kings.
No info on the pandyan killed by Krishna.
Thank you .Is the pandiya defeated arjuna (sinnamanur inscription)was at kurushetra war or other war.Is he fought alongside kauravas or pandavar.can you have all pandiya king lists of sangam ages.
ReplyDelete@Vainateya,
ReplyDeletePlease check both Tamil and Sanskrit part of Sinnamanur inscriptions. The Sanskrit part verse 7, gives the information that Arjuna ( Vijaya) was defeated by a Pandian King in the terrible war of the Kurus. So this Pandya had fought on the side of Kauravas. Please understand there were many kings of the same dynasty enjoying the title king - that is noticed until 1000 years ago. I have shown that even Kulottunga I was just a king with his capital at Kanchi while Adi Rajendra aka Krimi Kantha chola was ‘ Mannar mannan’ - king of kings for most part of kulottunga’s time.
In all Arjuna is mentioned at 3 places in Sinnamanur inscription - that Arjuna was defeated, was saved from the curse of a Vasu and his (Nara’s) friend’s daughter was married by a Pandya.
We do not have all kings’ names of sangam age. Do you think it is possible for 10000 year period covered by all 3 sangams?
Madam jayasree, wonderful to read this blog along with others inputs
ReplyDeleteThanks Madam.
ReplyDeleteGreat Madam.
ReplyDeleteVanuvatu intrigued me as did other topics discussed here.
But i checked photos of Vanuvatu people. They look negroid.
So , were Tamils also Negroid stock ? THe vanuvatu people seemed to have retained more of African genes then the present day Tamils in India. Unlikely it could all be because of gene mutation. What gene mixing happened in TN , India and how ?