Friday, December 25, 2020

Validating the Traditional date of Mahabharata War: Determining the date of Kali Yuga (Part 1)

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On this auspicious day of Vaikuntha Ekadasi when Vishnu, the Atman, as the Sun in his chariot in Margashira, instructs the self, in the nature of the Moon, having taken refuge at His feet, let Jayam springs up from this upavāsa.

nārāyaṇaṃ namaskṛtya naraṃ caiva narottamam
      devīṃ sarasvatīṃ caiva tato jayam udīrayet

 

The date of Mahabharata War is as contentious as the war itself!

The date, already embedded within the Itihāsa, is lost from sight due to various causes, the important one being our lack of knowledge of the features of the calendar system in vogue ever since Krishna left his mortal coils. The Kali Maha Yuga calendar started since then. Thirty five years before that, the Mahabharata war was fought. This offers the best hint to arrive at the year of the war which can be cross-checked with the astronomy references found in the text.

Here comes the next issue of locating the astronomy positions precisely. We are not able to locate the astronomy positions concurring with the date derived from the Kali date and we fail to understand the cause for it. The only external element being the simulator in use, we fail to probe that external element but instead start finding fault with the verses or manipulate the verses of Mahabharata.

These two issues are to be resolved– Kali Yuga date and the precise astronomy positions - before I begin decoding the verses to validate the Traditional date of the war.  

Kali Yuga date forms the basis for deriving the date of Mahabharata war.

Very often we come across references to Kali Yuga in Mahabharata – mostly used in the context of dharma (or adharma) prevailing then. When adharmic fighting technique was used by Bhima to slay Duryodhana, Krishna himself said, “prāptaṃ kaliyugaṃ viddhi[1]

{Prāptā = attained to, reached to.

Viddhi = the act of piercing, perforating (second person singular present imperative class 2 parasmaipada √vid)}

If this is construed as referring to the start of Kali Maha Yuga, then we must justify another verse, pertaining to the entry of Kali in Parikshit’s time. Parikshit needs no external citation, for, his name was mentioned by Krishna himself after Aswattama shot his astra to destroy the fetus growing in the womb of Uttarā, the wife of Abhimanyu, his nephew. Krishna said that the fetus would be saved and the son born would be known as Parikshit and would rule for sixty years.[2]

Parikshit came to the throne after the Pandavas relinquished the throne which happened soon after Krishna left the world. On the day of exit of Krishna, Kali Maha Yuga started, says the same author Vyasa in Srimad Bhagavatam at two places.[3]

We have two entries of Kali by now – one at the time of Bhima killing Duryodhana and another after Krishna left this world. And for the third time we see the entry of Kali “kaliṁ praviṣṭaṁ” after Parikshit started ruling the country.[4] However Parikshit succeeded in restraining Kali from entering his country but remain in five designated places.[5] So who is this Kali who entered here?

We have to gauge the circumstances and the meaning together. At the time of the war and at Parikshit’s time the Kali’s entry was about Adharma setting in. Whenever Adharma exceeded Dharma, it was said that Kali had entered. Malyavan, the maternal grandfather of Ravana warned Ravana that, “when adharma swallows dharma, it stimulates Kali yugaand this dialogue took place in Treta Yuga![6] Similarly we come across a reference to the entry of Kali in Treta Yuga when the sage Chyavana, covered inside an anthill due to his continuous penance, started watching the young girl Sukanya without her knowledge. This was told by the sage Lomasa in Dwapara Yuga in Mahabharata![7]

So Kali could enter Treta Yuga and Dwapara Yuga but remain muted in Kali Yuga when it had to be active. This shows that we need to do contextual analysis of the Kali verses in Mahabharata to understand whether it is about an increase in Adharma or a reference to the Time scale.

In the Time scale, there are sub divisions and units to measure time. The solar year is the basic unit and 4,32,000 solar years make the duration of this Kali Yuga. The Kali Yuga duration in turn becomes the basic unit of the Catur Maha Yuga. Two times the Kali Yuga duration is Dwapara Yuga; three times the duration is Treta Yuga; four times the duration is Krita Yuga. Thus from Krita to Kali, the time period can be expressed as 4:3:2:1 in which 1 part is equal to 4,32,000 years which is the duration of Kali Yuga. Basically all the Yugas are measured in solar years, or in other words, by the celestial entity. This in turn suggests that only celestial entities mark the beginning and the end date of the Yugas. We do come across such reference, only when we search the relevant texts- the relevant texts being the Jyothisha Siddhantas.

 Gruha sāmānyam Yugamsays Aryabhatiya, a Tantra Siddhanta. [8] Here Catur Maha Yuga is identified in terms of planets sharing commonality or coming together. Traditionally it is being held that all the planets except one of the nodes congregated near zero degree Aries when Kali Yuga began. Most scholars are skeptical about this feature that it is fictitious and not supported by any textual reference. The major reason is that they are not able to get this congregation at the traditional date of Kali Yuga! 

It is indeed true that we are not able to get a direct citation from any text. However a combined reading of Aryabhatiya and Surya Siddhanta offers an indirect reference to the grouping of planets at the beginning of Aries.

Aryabhatiya does refer to the congregation of all the planets except Rahu at the beginning of Aries when Krita Yuga started on a Wednesday.[9] Can this be taken to mean that this congregation repeats at the beginning Kali Yuga, having the basic unit of time of the Catur Maha Yuga (4,32,000)? In the absence of any explicit citation in support of this we have to analyze the existing verses. Going by the Aryabhatiya verse quoted above, the congregation must repeat at the beginning of every Krita Yuga that starts after 10 rounds of the duration of Kali Yuga (4+3+2+1).[10]

Here we get to see a verse from Surya Siddhanta saying that at the END of Krita Yuga the mean places of the all the planets except the nodes coincide with each other at the first point of stellar Aries.[11] This means that the planets congregate at Aries at the beginning of Treta Yuga, after crossing 4 parts of Krita Yuga each having the duration of 4,32,000 years. If it is assumed that this congregation occurs for the second time after the previous one happening at the beginning of Krita Yuga, it upsets the very idea of such a congregation, for the reason, the subsequent congregation can occur at the middle of Dvapara Yuga (3 parts of Treta + 1 part of Dvapara) and further next, at the middle of Krita Yuga (remaining 1 part of Dvapara + 1 part of Kali Yuga + 2 parts of Krita Yuga). This cannot be true going by the mandatory requirement of the congregation at the beginning of Krita Yuga.

This leaves us with only two probable choices for the congregation of planets, either at the beginning of every 4,32,000 years or at the beginning of double that time. If the second choice is taken, there won’t be a congregation at the beginning of Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga being the basic unit of the Yuga, there must be some form of identification to mark its beginning. Except planetary movements no other markers are available or cited in any text. Therefore the second choice is ruled out. This leaves us with the first choice which is logically tenable in that being the basic unit of the Catur Yuga. In other words, all the planets come together at the beginning of Aries once in 4,32,000 years. By implication this means that any specific planetary configuration cannot occur more than once within the period of 4,32,000 years.

Vyasa on noticing the gathering of all planets at the beginning of Aries sensed the arrival of the new Yuga. When he came to know about the exit of Krishna, that was a clinching evidence of the arrival of Kali Yuga. Any derivation of the sky map for the date of Kali Yuga must have all the planets (with the exception of Rahu as stated in Aryabhatiya) close to zero degree of Aries.

That date can be derived from the simulator – not in tropical simulator but in astrology simulators using the ayanamsa as zero. [12] (Figure 1)

Fig 1: The Date of Kali Yuga with the conjunction of all the planets at zero degree Aries.


Eight planets except Rahu congregated at zero degree Aries with most of them at the last one or two degrees of Pisces. The date was 22nd January of 3101 BCE in the Gregorian calendar (including the 0 year). This corresponds to the year Pramathi, Amawasya in Caitra when the sun and the moon joined at the beginning of Aries on a Thursday. Traditionally these are the exact Pancanga features at the time of the beginning of Kali Yuga. A new Epoch was born by which the world became different after that.

One may recall a near similar congregation on 26th December 2019, when six planets congregated at the sign, Sagittarius. (Figure 2)  It was followed by a complete change in the life of the people around the world with the advent of the Covid-19 virus.

Fig 2: Six planets congregated at Sagittarius before the global outbreak of Covid 19.


This is to show that this kind of large scale changes are noticed when many planets congregate at a strategic corner accompanied with a solar eclipse. We are finding only this kind of description in Mahabharata, and not the language of the astronomers. All the astronomy references of Mahabharata were spelt by associating with some calamity or fear of calamity. When a result is associated with planetary features, it is no longer about astronomy; it enters the domain of astrology.

When we compare the two figures we will see a difference in the ayanamsa. Figure 1 was simulated for zero ayanamsa as deduced from Surya Siddhanta concept of the equinoxes. Figure 2 is simulated to the current ayanamsa (based on current location of equinox). Suppose the ayanamsa is changed for Figure 2, the planetary features would not be the same. This addresses the 2nd issue raised earlier on getting the exact planetary positions.

Only when we simulate for zero ayanamsa we get the exact planetary positions. Figure 1 showing the Kali Yuga combination is a solid proof for this. Since a new Yuga starts at the conjunction at zero degree Aries with the tropical equinox coinciding with the sidereal equinox, we have to check the astronomy features of Mahabharata only for the Surya Siddhanta ayanamsa.

Inscriptional evidence for Kali Yuga date

Further corroboration comes from the inscription of Janamejaya, the son of Pariskhit, quoted by Kota Venkatachela Paakayaaji in his book[13] from Indian Antiquary P.P. 383 334.The inscription was issued in the 29th regnal year of the king Janamejaya to Lord Sitaram temple on the banks of Tungabhadra River, in today’s Hampi. The Pancanga features were Plavanga year, Amawasya, Monday and Sahasya month referring to Pushya month when a solar eclipse was on. Only the star of the day is not given.  These four out of five features of the Panchanga were checked in astrology software.[14] The year exactly matched with the count from the Kali Yuga year (Pramathi). There was a solar eclipse on that day with the sun within 19 degrees from Rahu - fulfilling the requirement for a solar eclipse. Among the Pancanga features only the day turned out to different (Friday) These combinations not possible to recur in any other year of the Kali Yuga, it seems that it was a scribal error that Sukra vara was written as Saumya Vara. (Figure 3)

              Fig 3: The date of Janamejaya inscription

The date was 2nd November, 3013 BCE. This was the 89th year after the start of Kali Yuga in 3101 BCE.

Another inscription indicating the Kali date is from Aihole issued in the name of Pulikesin II, but there is a controversy regarding the event mentioned there. The year matches with 3101 BCE, but the event referred to is ‘Bhāratādāhāvāditah’ – interpreted as referring to the time of the war. This is incongruous since the date concurs with that of the Traditional Kali Yuga date and validated by the planetary and Pancanga features. There is either a mistake in the letters or in our understanding of the word.

This expression is much like ‘Bhāratāt Purvam’ used by Aryabhata to indicate the beginning of Kali Yuga, that was interpreted by ancient commentators as referring to Bhāratā (Pandavas) relinquishing the throne.[15] The Bhāratā renounced everything and cast off their sacred fires too.[16] Bhāratā dāha avādita could refer to the sacrifice of the Bharata clan after coming to know of Krishna’s demise (when Kali Yuga started). The time of Pulikesin II coming within 150 years of Aryabhata, this kind of reference to the start of Kali Yuga seems to be widespread in use. The other way of looking at it is that a powerful and prosperous king like Pulikesin II could have found it difficult to ascribe to the view that Kali was running in his country, much like Parikshit who detested the presence of Kali. Perhaps this made him pick out the alternate marker for the Yuga beginning, the sacrifice of the Bhāratā (Pandavas) on coming to know of Krishna’s exit.

Deriving the date of Mahabharata War from Kali Yuga. 

Once having established the date of Kali Yuga at 3101 BCE, it is not difficult to derive the date of Mahabharata War. There was a gap of 35 years between the war and the exit of Krishna.

On seeing the death of her children and all relatives in the war Gandhari vented out her frustration at Krishna that he (Krishna) after causing the slaughter of his kinsmen would perish in the wilderness on the 36th year.[17] On the 36th year a huge carnage did take place wiping out the Krishna-clan.

When the 36th year (after the war) arrived Yudhishthira noticed many unusual omens, says the first chapter of Mausala Parva.[18] In the next chapter it is said that a great calamity overtook the Vrishnis on the 36th year. [19] In the third chapter, Krishna on seeing the inauspicious omens understood that the thirty sixth year had arrived when Gandhari’s curse given out of grief of losing her children was about to happen.[20]

What is special about the number 36?

The number 36 has a special relevance for the welfare of one’s progeny. A 36-year sacrifice (sattra) was in vogue during Mahabharata times. It is known from Pancavimsa Brahmana that the descendants of Sakti had conducted 36 year sattra.[21] By the mention of Gauriviti as one who did the satttra[22] , Sakti is identified as the father of Parasara whose son was Vyasa.. It is further said in the Brahmana text that the one who performs this sattra gets rulership and also ten strong sons.[23] Without doubt this sattra must have been popular with the Kauravas, the Pandavas and the Vrishinis. 

As biological descendants of Vyasa, the Kuru kings could have performed the sattra. Perhaps the Kauravas could not complete the 36 year long sattra[24] or else they could have won the war, retained rulership and children. It is doubtful the Pandavas had completed the sattra in view of the exile they had to undertake. Only the Vrishinis had survived the war and were expected to prosper more in the years after the war. The Vrishnis headed by Krishna were very clever in having chosen to support both the warring sides. Whichever side wins the war, the Vrishnis would bring home the advantages of the winner.

Gandhari’s anger naturally turned towards Krishna who she accused as not having worked enough to avert the slaughter of the Kuru-s. The Kauravas lost their progeny, so did the Pandavas by the time the war ended, but only the Vrishnis survived! The Vrishnis were already known for wealth creation and didn’t mind relocating to newer terrains (Dvaraka) to safeguard their wealth, works and resources.[25] Their clan continued to be intact after the war, unlike the Kuru clan which suffered heavy losses. Gandhari’s anger was such that the new 36 year sattra that was likely to be initiated by the Vrishnis after the war was over should collapse at the penultimate hour, thereby wiping out their progeny and rulership. It is not known if the sattra was done by the Vrishnis, but their end came in the 36th year just before the Sun entered Aries with all the planets gathered around it.

The year started in Uttarayana before that time. The 36th year happening to be Pramathi, we have to count backwards by 35 years. That leads us to the year Krodhi! That was the year of the Mahabharata War. The year corresponds to 3136 BCE in the Gregorian date. Thus we have two dates established without doubt of which the date of Kali Yuga continues to form the basis of time in all Vedic and traditional activities.

The date of Kali Yuga:  22nd January 3101 BCE, Year Pramathi, Caitra, Amawasya, Aswini, Thursday with all the planets except Rahu near the beginning of Aries when the tropical vernal equinox coincided with the beginning of sidereal Aries.  

The date of the Mahabharata War: 3136 BCE corresponding to the year Krodhi. Further details will be established in the course of this series.

In any research on the date of Mahabharata war, the deduced planetary positions must concur with the year Krodhi and with the corresponding Pancanga details such as tithi, star, karana and month - whichever among them was given in the text of Mahabharata for various events around the time of war. A systematic analysis of such inputs did validate the date of Mahabharata war that the reader can find in the upcoming posts.

(To be continued)


[1] Mahabharata: 9-59-21

[2] Mahabharata: 10-16-14

[3] Srimad Bhagavatam: 1-15- 36; 12-2-33

[4] Srimad Bhagavatam: 1-16-10

[5] Srimad Bhagavatam: 1-17

[6] Valmiki Ramayana: 6-35-14

[7] Mahabharata: 3-121

[8] Aryabhatiya: 3-8

[9] Aryabhatiya: 1-3,4

[10] Kali yuga duration of 4,32,000 years is the basic unit in Maha Yuga. Two times the Kali years = Dwapara Yuga. Three times the Kali years = Treta Yuga. Four times of the Kali years = Krita Yuga. So the ratio is 4:3:2:1 from Krita to Kali. In other words Krita = 10 times of Kali years.

[11] Surya Siddhanta: 1-57

[12] Zero ayanamsa refers to the conjunction of the sidereal and tropical equinox at the beginning of Aswini / Aries. As time goes the tropical equinox shifts in the backdrop of the stars giving rise to a gap between the tropical equinox and zero degree Aries position. This gap is known as ayanamsa.

[13]“Chronology of Ancient Hindu History” Part 1, by Pandit Kota Venkatachela Paakayaaji (1957) Page 13-17

[14]The horoscopy illustrations are generated from Jagannatha Hora software, version 7.4

[15] Aryabhatiya: 1-5

[16] Mahabharata: 17-1-20

[17] Mahabharata: 11-25-41

[18] Mahabharata: 16-1-1

[19] Mahabharata: 16-2-2

[20] Mahabharata: 16 -3 –verses 18 & 19

[21] Pancavimsa Brahmana: 25-7-1

[22] Ibid. 25-7-2

[23] Ibid. 25-7-3 & 4

[24] The Sattra is of 4 parts, with nine nine-versed years, nine fifteen versed years, nine seventeen versed years and nine twenty one versed years. (Pancavimsa Brahmana: 25-7-1)

[25] Mahabharata: 2-13

22 comments:

  1. I like it...Thank you very much for such a detailed blog.

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  2. Excellent find with proof. Hearty congratulations. You are gifted.

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  3. Thank you very much madam for taking immense pain to authentically prove the date of Mahabharata war. You could not have chosen better time to make it public. You are aware that there is a concerted effort by many enemies of Hindus to paint our scriptures in black and they get some vicarious pleasure in doing this. We badly need people like to you to uphold our rich culture and heritage. I sincerely wish you success for your future endeavors in this regard.

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  4. Thank you very much Mr Gopalakrishnan, Mr Shivkumar and anonymous (I wish people express their names) for the appreciation. This energizes me to work relentlessly.

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  5. Waiting for next parts! Hope you would date creation of Rigveda in similar fashion

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  6. @ Jitendra Desai

    Vedas are not historical books, only Itihasas are.
    As a stickler of tradition, I wont commit that paapa.
    However I would indicate the time of the start of Rig Vedic compositions which I have started doing in my videos.

    Check out my Indic past series - an ongoing series
    1st video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84RYJCghR0c

    Please pick out the other videos in English from here https://www.youtube.com/user/jayasartn/videos
    So far 9 parts have been uploaded.

    After the Mbh series I will continue that

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  7. Excellent madam, Really ashtonished to see the depth of your research. That too into matters that correspond to more than 5000 years old. Hats off to you, your sincere efforts and PKSN sir to have made me know about your such divine endevor. Sure Lord KRISHNA will guide you on attaining further milestones on this sacred search.
    Thanks and all the very best.
    Regards, N Udhayakumar

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  8. Mam, I have been reading each and every post very keenly including the pdf you shared with me. Unlike a decade ago, where my enthusiasm made me ask several questions, I now feel my questions do not raise their bar to put forward. However, I do have one request, hoping you would oblige. I did not know under which post, I should post my query. I knew that you would not deviate from the literary evidences, however, would like to know in brief what lacks in the date of birth of Lord Krishna given by Dr Raghavan & Dr Sampath (1-7-3111BC - ofcourse, its not Sravan B.Ashtami). Though it does not corelate to the dates you concluded anywhere or with texts, I once again came to see this date based on few personal experiences with people I met on my journey. Doesnot the person born in this date match major events like birth in a prison, life threat from maternal uncle, rasa leela, extensive journeys throughout this country in his life, major war breakout, gitopadesam and vishnusahasranamam, dying lonely somewhere in the forest without any of his subjects etc. through various maha/antar dasas? Secondly, we are aware from your blogs where Lord Nrusimha avirbhavam happened. But everyone talks about ahobilam in Andhra. After pondering about it for few months, I finally got the answer and the real facts behind it. Would request if you look again in your leisure and at personal level, rather than for your research?

    Note : Kind request, please do not approve the post / do not make it visible. You may strike off entire comment, if felt inappropriate.

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  9. Thanks Mr. Udhayakumar for your best wishes.

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  10. Hello Mr. Krishna,

    Do you know you are the catalyst for my entry into Nilesh Oak issue? Long ago you wrote a comment that I must look into his weird dates and write a reply. I ignored it at that time saying that no one in the right sense of mind would bother to read or accept his version. But Time shows what kind of people we have around. Taking it up on 2019, and after reading his book and blogs, I regretted that I must have critiqued him early before he did the damage. The damage he has done is comparable with what Karunanidhi had done to the very mentality of the people of a generation.

    Coming to your question, Dr. B.V.Raman in his book "Notable horoscopes" had analysed Krishna's horoscope in the way you wanted. He assigned 125 years to Krishna and derived it from Kali date that coincided with his exit. But after entering this Mbh research, I got a doubt whether Krishna lived for 125 years.If he lived for so long, then all the Pandavas also had lived that long. Why that is not being expressed anywhere? Krishna's father Vasudeva lived until Krishna's exit, then what was his age? I think we need to do in-depth study. Right now my hands are full with 3 major unfinished works. Let me see after I finish them.

    On Narasimha, I haven't written about Narasimha avirbhavam, but written that the event took place in SE Asia, in Sundaland. The displaced people of that region carried the memory of Narasimha to India. Most of them settled on the east coast of India. In coastal Andhra there is genetic similarity with Indonesians which can be traced to this migration even before Skanda's time. This is as per my current understanding.

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  11. Mam, You have relentlessly fought with them with all the astras you possess and silenced everyone. I wish I could be of more help to you. I am just a tool that Lord has been using at instances in various situations of people either in a small or major way. After all it should be the Truth that should be heard and you work only in bringing forth the truth. We are all just a speck in your mission.

    It is believed that Dr Raman's " Notable Horoscopes " have major blunders in finalyzing the dates of popular personalities, not just Lord Krishna. I did ask you about this long back but you denied as it has to get its support from literary evidences. Since, I do come across people who are not into regular public movement and who do penances on Bhadrapada B.Ashtami, I repeated my question.

    I meant your narration about the location. I will put across my statement about it in the email. I have restrictions and a discipline from my Gurukulam, so I have to be cautious on what I speak or reveal publicly.

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  12. I request you to mention details of the Aihole inscription and show how it matches with the year 3101BCE. I am trying to ascertain from a second source because same inscription is quoted by Sri Vedveer Arya to arrive at 3162 as date of the war.

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    1. @Unknown

      Uploaded my article on Aihole inscription. It is traditional Kali Yuga date of 3101 BCE. The inscription refers to Bharata (Yudhishthira) repositing Agni within himself when he cast off Grahastashrama. In other words the abdication of the throne is the marker for Kali Yuga in that inscription. It is repeated by Aryabhata too.

      Read here

      http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2021/04/abdication-of-throne-by-pandavas-marked.html

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  13. Madam, I am a huge fan of your blogs and insights and analysis. We are enriched. Are you inferring that, by this assessment, when did Ramayana happen? at the very minimum 4,32,000 years before the Kali Yuga?

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    1. Thanks Mr.KK.

      Please go through the 8th episode in the Indic past series on Yuga and how Rama could not have lived in Maha Yuga scale.There is a video embedded in that article. Please watch the video to get the whole fact about Yuga concept.

      http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2020/07/indic-past-series-8-understanding.html?m=0

      If interested watch the 9th video also on manvantara concept. Links provided in that article.

      Rama was born on 9th jan 5114 BCE in Prabhava year. No astronomy software can show the planetary conditions because they are based on faulty precession concept. Astrology software would show 1 tithi less because of loss of 1 tithi during Mbh comet hit. Since the simulators are based on the current time extrapolated to the past without the knowledge of loss of 1 tithi, they would show Rama's date 1 tithi less.

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  14. In your opinion, 22nd January, 3101 BCE is start of Kaliyuga.

    This seems to contradict Dr. ML Raja's work which cites more than 600 inscriptions of historical periods which relate to Feb. 17/18 February 3102 BCE as the date.

    What explains the contradiction?

    k

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  15. 3102 is the Gregorian date in the currently available date system which is flawed. Between CE and BCE there was a zero year. That was inadvertently left in Gregorian calculation. Any one working on dates before common era must be careful in taking this into consideration..

    The year 3102 quoted as Kali Yuga does not fulfil the conditions of Kali yuga namely the planetary conjunction.

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  16. Interesting. There is something I find a little perplexing: there are three astrological charts for (i) January 22, -3101, (ii) December 26, 2019 and (iii) December 31, -3013. The sun is in Pisces in the first and third (wonder how) but is correctly in Sagittarius in the 2nd.

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  17. @Denkali.
    Please check the Vedic month names and not western calendar months for Vedic months of current times. Western calender months regress for past dates. Fig 1 is Kali date when the sun was in Aries. Fig 2 is 2019 chart when the sun was in dhanur Rashi (Sagittarius - solar Margashira). Fig 3 is Janamejaya inscription when the grant was made in phalguni when the sun was in pisces.

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  18. Posting here the comment by Scholar c.r.sant, in my discussion board of my paper, after reading the above blog.

    "Some comments on some material (in [ ]) in your piece:
    " Validating the Traditional date of Mahabharata War: Determining the date of Kali Yuga (Part 1)"

    Please also refer to link at my site here: https://melitamegalithic.wordpress.com/2020/05/31/searching-evidence-keplers-trigons-and-events-in-the-holocene-2/

    The subject of my post in the link is further evidence of changes in earth tilt (obliquity) as evident in the dimensions of megalithic calendars. These dates were gleaned from several unconnected proxies. The last one, at 2345bce, was first discerned by GF Dodwell, and evidence for it may be found in the Mnajdra calendar alteration.

    1. [We are not able to locate the astronomy positions concurring with the date derived from the Kali date and we fail to understand the cause for it.]
    Astronomy positions of the solar system planets do not change in a tilt change, but the zodiac positions of the constellations will shift. A tilt change forces also a change in the precession position, negative or positive according to direction of tilt change (see fig in my link). That means any sky simulator will not show the correct sky any-time before the last change at 2345bce.

    2. [all the planets come together at the beginning of Aries ]
    This appears to correspond to what in the West are the Kepler Trigons, when planets particularly the big and near ones occur on/near a single line.

    3. [Eight planets except Rahu congregated at zero degree Aries with most of them at the last one or two degrees of Pisces. The date was 22nd January of 3101 BCE in the Gregorian calendar (including the 0 year). This corresponds to the year Pramathi, Amawasya in Caitra when the sun and the moon joined at the beginning of Aries on a Thursday. Traditionally these are the exact Pancanga features at the time of the beginning of Kali Yuga. A new Epoch was born by which the world became different after that.]
    The piece 'when the sun and the moon joined' is equivalent to the Akkadian text “The date of the Flood was set at the end of the lunar month, on the darkest night of the month when the moon is invisible.” Possibly also when the moon is on the same side and in-line with the planets

    The piece "A new Epoch was born by which the world became different after that" corresponds to geological upheaval also evident in tectonic land rotation requiring new calendar orientations. More evidence of this is in various proxies. Also evidence of this in ancient texts, which are not generally understood for what they tell.

    4. [This is to show that this kind of large scale changes are noticed when many planets congregate at a strategic corner accompanied with a solar eclipse. We are finding only this kind of description in Mahabharata, and not the language of the astronomers. All the astronomy references of Mahabharata were spelt by associating with some calamity or fear of calamity. When a result is associated with planetary features, it is no longer about astronomy; it enters the domain of astrology.]
    Two point: it is not evident in astronomical software for dates before 2345bce. And that planetary alignments are linked to forms of calamity, accompanied by social collapse.

    C14 evidence,namely from tree rings, shows an abrupt increase at about 3200bce, the piora oscillation. But note it is a global event. And why an increase ?? - needs further study."

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  19. The discussion board mentioned in the above comment was for my peer-reviewed paper on comet-hit during Krishna's peace mission in 3136 BCE. It is found in science researches that a cosmic impact did happen on that year, vindicating the version of Vyasa. Details here:
    https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-peer-reviewed-paper-on-cosmic-impact.html

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