Showing posts with label Ram Sethu. Show all posts
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Thursday, April 19, 2018

Early floods at Southern Madurai (தென் மதுரை) coincide with the first sea-level rises at the end of Last Glacial Maximum. (Spoken language of ancient India – Part 7)


Disclaimer: I hereby declare that there is no chauvinistic intention of promoting Tamil, which happens to be my mother tongue, in this series. The intention is to bring to the notice of readers, the presence of Tamil alongside Sanskrit in the Indian Subcontinent for many thousands of years. A deeper analysis might give us leads on why a fused Tamil and Sanskrit presence can be seen from India to Ireland to Ice land and from Polynesia to the Incas. 

The key to ancient history of India is in unravelling the flood-legends of Tamil lands that hosted the first two Sangams. Entire habitations were lost to the seas as per the revelations of Nakkeeranār, in his commentary to Iṟaiyanār Agapporuḷ” that was analysed in an assembly, probably the last session of the 3rd Sangam, as the patron of that assembly was the last Pandyan king of the 3rd Sangam, namely Ugra Peruvaɻuthi. Nakkeeranār belonged to the 3rd Sangam - a fact mentioned by Nakkeeranār himself in that commentary (1). This lends credibility to the information he has given on the duration of each Sangam and their location.

The first loss was that of the former capital city “Southern Madurai” that served as a venue for the 1st Sangam assembly. The 1st Sangam started around 9990 BCE and ended around 5550 BCE (refer Part 1). The survivors headed by the Pandyan king managed to set up a new capital city at “Kavātam” (which was also lost to the seas 3500 years ago). This place, “Kavātam” finds a mention in Valmiki Ramayana (refer Part 6). The emergence of this place as the Pandyan capital had happened sometime between the 11th and 13th year of Rama’s exile thereby indicating that the deluge at Southern Madurai had happened within those three years.


Past deluges in the Indian Ocean.

The Indian Ocean habitat was the most viable location for support of mankind even during the Last Glacial Maximum. The sea level was lower by more than 120 meters at that time. The regions of Indonesian archipelago, Mascarene Plateau and Kerguelen plateau were raised land structures. South India had an extended coastline, more on the west, south and southeast connected with Sri Lanka. Most of these regions were in tropics and were warmer enough to support human habitation.

Research shows that sudden rise in the sea level started after deglaciation of the West Antarctic ice sheet that followed the melting of Arctic ice. This has happened between 14,000 to 15,000 years ago and continued until 7000 years ago when the current sea level was reached. The above mentioned habitats at the Indian Ocean had also faced and continue to face sudden and large scale inundations due to the seismically sensitive Sunda and Java Trenches. The first ever research on tsunami imprint – the only one of its kind – done in a sea cave off Banda Aceh showed a surprising discovery of 11 successive tsunami-hits between 7900 and 2900 years ago. (Refer ScienceDaily). This is almost the same period within which the first two Sangam capitals faced submergences (the 3rd and the last Sangam capital was Madurai of the present times).

           
Sea floods reported in Southern Madurai (தென் மதுரை).

From Nakkeeranār’s commentary we deduce that the 1st Sangam assembly started around the year 9990 BCE (approximately 12000 years ago). It means that the habitation had come into being much before that time. Southern Madurai, the capital city that hosted the 1st Sangam had faced repeated sea floods, in the beginning (12,000 BP) in tune with the first floods of that period. They are listed as follows based on the narrative of Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam.

(1) The first ever reference to a kind of surging waters is seen after Meenakshi’s marriage. Seven seas converged in her location, says the description (2). From the description it is deduced that there was no sea near Southern Madurai. Meenakshi’s mother ‘Kanchana Mala’ wanted to have sacred bath in a sea. To fulfil her wish, the Pandyan king, Lord Shiva caused not just one but 7 seas to congregate on the eastern side of Southern Madurai. (3)

The seven seas were identified by 7 different coloured waters that converged near Southern Madurai. The date is around 12,000 years ago and corresponds to a sea level rise from 120 to 60 meters than it is now. The appearance of sea near Southern Madurai with the water appearing in 7 colours could mean that the sea had advanced towards Southern Madurai within a short time by carrying waters from different regions that converged at a location in the Indian Ocean.

The converged waters reaching east of Southern Madurai could refer to the sudden melt-downs in the eastern part of the globe – from regions of China and Indonesian archipelago coming through different path ways and reaching south Indian Ocean. The surges from Pacific Ocean also could not be ruled out.  The earliest reference to eastern sector of the globe needs to be researched as currently the focus is on sea- rises in Atlantic Ocean.

(2) The 2nd reference comes in the time of Ugra Kumara Pandya, the son of Meenakshi. This Pandya is recognised as ‘Kumara’ (4) or Muruga. The sea water surged upto knee-level in one version (5) and stopped at his feet in other versions (6). The limited impact of the sudden surge of the sea waves was attributed to the javelin thrown by Kumara at the sea. In reality this must have been the first sea flood caused by deglaciation in the region of Southern Madurai. It was not deadly but did cause a substantial rise in the sea level.

(3) This event is shortly followed by a sudden appearance of rain clouds, attributed to Indra. Its impact also was minimised by Kumara by means of his Chakrayudha, according to Tiruvilaiyādal puranam (7).

(4) This was followed by another incident of sea-flood making an appearance. This looked deadly and seemed capable of wiping out Southern Madurai. But it receded in no time. This coincided with the appearance of dark clouds which gave rise to the legend that Lord Shiva saved Southern Madurai by sucking the flood waters in the guise of clouds (8). Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam makes a significant statement that this event made the people realise that Shiva was indeed the God (9).  

The by-products of these events are the revelations about how Indra and Varuna, the supposed-to-be Vedic Gods were indigenously present concepts of the Tamil speaking people of those times. The unitary culture indicated by this will be discussed in another context.

(5) In the next four millennia, Southern Madurai did not experience any threat from the sea. It was only around the time of 5550 BCE, a sea-flood struck the city causing it to disappear under water.

Inference from the above are

(1) Southern Madurai had experienced sudden sea-level rises due to deglaciation of the poles, particularly the southern pole about 12,000 years ago. The water level rose up but not to dangerous levels as to inundate the land.

(2) The first ever rainfall season had started around the same time. Initially cloud formations were there but regular rainfall pattern started a little later.

(3) Absence of report of sea floods for the next 4 millennia shows that the initial ones experienced during Kumara’s times 12,000 years ago were caused by deglaciation.

(4) The complete submergence happening 7500 years ago could be due to tsunami caused by reasons such as seismicity or volcanic eruptions. This period coincides with the start of the tsunami season in the Indonesian archipelago that left imprints in Banda Aceh. Southern Madurai must have been lying in the direct line of tsunami waves.

(5) The absence of a deadly threat from the sea until then – for 4 millennia – could not be attributed to the absence of tsunami-causing features – in the absence of any research for that period.  There might have happened tsunamis in that period, but in the directions that could hardly have any impact on Southern Madurai. If Southern Madurai was located on a safe region – say, a kind of tsunami-shadow region or a promontory, it could have escaped a major calamity.

A comparative location is Tiruchendur, the famous abode of Lord Muruga which was not affected by the Tsunami of 2004. This place experienced receding waters but no subsequent rise of waves.



The scientific explanation for this phenomenon at Tiruchendur is that it is located on a promontory. A promontory is a cape-like structure jutting out into the sea. The places on the promontory lying away from the direction of the tsunami waves experience an agitation in the sea coast but no phenomenal rise in the waves. The stretch of the coastal line from Tirunelveli to Pudukkottai covering Tuticorin and Ramanathapuram is studded with a series of promontories. This has helped in minimising the impact of Tsunami 2004 in these regions. The location of Sri Lanka on the path of tsunami waves also served as a barrier.


Promontories pointed out by arrow marks.



By 5550 BCE (the approximate time of end of 1st Sangam) Southern Madurai had sunk into the sea. That was the time (7000 yrs BP) global sea level reached the current level. Tsunami imprints found in Banda Aceh correspond to the period of complete loss of Southern Madurai into the sea.


Kavātam finding mention in Valmiki Ramayana and Agastya moving to Kaveri kunda for his penance – both happening towards the end of Rama’s exile increase the probability of one or more tsunamis being witnessed in the Indian Ocean even before Rama completed his exile and returned home.

A corresponding proof for this comes from the maps of Graham Hancock. Between 10,600 BP and 8,900 BP the shallow region of the Gulf of Mannar has slowly seen a rise in the sea level. This is ascertained from the thinning of the land-connection between India and Sri Lanka. The global sea-level increase could have caused this rise.


Within a millennium that followed, the sea level has greatly increased drowning the naturally formed land bridge between India and Sri Lanka. The beginning of tsunami season in the Indian Ocean could have contributed to this increase in a comparatively short time.

The upper time limit was 7700 BP which was close to the beginning of the tsunami season that impacted Banda Aceh. The first breach had happened then as per this map. In the next 800 years that followed, the sea level has increased submerging the land connection between the two countries. Ramayana had happened sometime within this period.


It is also possible to theorise that Rama’s bridge was built soon after the complete breach of this land connection had happened, presumably caused by a tsunami. This observation is based on the enigma of how Surpanakha, Mareecha and others from Lanka were easily commuting between India and Lanka while Rama found it difficult to cross the sea. Only Ravana had Pushpaka vimana taking him wherever he wanted, but others didn’t seem to have such luxuries. Assuming that the naturally formed land connection was there in parts before Rama reached the shore to cross over to Lanka, it is possible to say that others crossed with less difficulty.


But when Rama came to the sea shore, it was water all around. Rama could have opted to use catamarans instead of labouring to make a bridge. For the amount of trees pulled down and stacked into forming the bridge, the Vanaras could have as well built simple catamarans and crossed the sea with less effort. That they didn’t find it viable could only mean that the sea was rough and at the same time not deep enough. The sea-floor topography must have been rough and shallow and not supportive of travel by boats or catamarans. If only the breach at the land bridge had happened close to the time of their crossing over, Rama could have opted for raising the land bridge.

The description in Valmiki Ramayana supports the idea that a tsunami hit again when Rama was standing at the sea shore angry at the Ocean God for not giving place to cross the ocean. This tsunami was seen to have been caused by a volcanic explosion somewhere in Indonesia or by a magma blow-out in central Indian Ocean.

The relevant verses of Valmiki Ramayana will be discussed in the next article.   

References:

(1) The author Nakkeeranār gives the background of his commentary in his explanation to the first verse of Iṟaiyanār Agapporuḷ as this:

The Pandyan king invites the learned to write commentary for Iṟaiyanār Agapporuḷ. Nakkeeranār wanted the king to identify a learned person to judge the commentaries to choose the best. In his reply the king, Ugra Peruvazhuthi recalls Nakkeeranār’s contribution to the corpus of Sangam literature as one among the 49 poets of the entire the 3rd Sangam period. This shows that Nakkeeranār, who authored the commentary for Iṟaiyanār Agapporuḷ was the Sangam poet who dared to question Lord Shiva appearing to defend his poem given to Dharumi. That poem is found in a Sangam compilation called Kurum thogai.

(2) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam: Yezhu kadal azhiattha patalam. ஏழு கடல் அழைத்த படலம்.

(3) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam: Yezhu kadal azhiattha patalam. ஏழு கடல் அழைத்த படலம். Verse 887:

தேவி திரு மொழி கேட்டுத் தென்னவராய் நிலம்
                                                       
புரக்கும்
காவி திகழ் மணி கண்டர் கடல் ஒன்றோ எழு கடலும்
கூவி வர அழைத்தும் என உன்னினார் குணபால் ஓர்
வாவி இடை எழுவேறு வண்ணமொடும் வருவன ஆல்.

(4) குமரவேள் உக்கிரனெனப் பேர் கொண்டதும் Maduraik kalambagam - verse 92

(5) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam by Paranjothi Munivar  verse 1046:

கடல் சுவற வேல் விட்ட படலம்.

"கணைக் காலின் மட்டது ஆனதே"

(6) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam  by Tiruvālavāyudaiyār : 21-6,
Silappadhkrama 17-20, Nalavenba, Villiputthur Bharatham.

(7) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam , Indran mudi mel valai erintha patalam. இந்திரன் முடி மேல் வளை எறிந்த படலம்

(8) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam  வருணன் விட்ட கடலை வற்றச் செய்த படலம்.

(9) Tiruvilaiyādal Puranam  by Paranjothiyar: Verse 1305

நிவப்புற வெழுந்த நான்கு மேகமு நிமிர்ந்து வாய்விட்
டுவர்ப்புறு கடலை வாரி யுறிஞ்சின வுறிஞ்ச லோடுஞ்
சிவப்பெருங் கடவுள் யார்க்குந் தேவெனத் தெளிந்தோ ரேழு
பவப்பெரும் பௌவம் போலப் பசையற வறந்த தன்றே.



Friday, January 12, 2018

Challenging Nilesh Oak's dates of Mahabharata and Ramayana.

Update (22-1-2022)

Published my book "Mahabharata 3136 BCE: Validation of the Traditional Date" 
Read the details here: 


Published the hardcopy of my book critiquing Mr. Oak's book on date of Mahabharata 



Update (May 2021)

Till date Mr. Nilesh Oak had not responded to any of my arguments given below, sent to him three years ago..

Instead of revising his Ramayana date based on the sea level data that shows Ram Setu above the water level making Lanka land-locked in his date, Mr Oak had chosen to revise the very location of Ram Setu and Lanka!!

Have we seen any other worst distortion of history, intellectual dishonesty and corruption of  the cultural treasure and ethos and of a people of  vast continuum of time? 

Is this not a first rate assault on Itihasa?  

If not condemned and halted, it is sure to do more damage to the Hindu culture in a very short period than what all the assailants from outside India to the home-grown traitors had done so far in more than 1000 years.


Nilesh Oak's Lanka - where is Ram Setu?? 

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Update (December 2020)

Free download  of my book "Myth of the 'Epoch of Arundhati' of Nilesh Nilkanth Oak" wherein I have validated the traditional date of Mahabharata at 3136 BCE, 35 years before the date of Kali Maha Yuga on 3101 BCE. 

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January 12, 2018

Many have attempted to date the Mahabharata war and Ramayana taking inputs from the two Epics. Mr Nilesh Oak (https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/ ) is one among them who has dated Mahabharata war at 5561 BCE and Rama- Ravana war at 12,209 BCE. In an exchange with him on Twitter for an open debate I sent to him the following transcripts in a series of tweets on January 8th and 9th of 2018. 

Till now he has not replied to my arguments.

- Jayasree

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Date of MB is non-negotiable as it is connected with Kali yuga that started 36 yrs after MB war. Traditional date of K.Yuga is 3102 BC, so that of MB is 3138 BC. 3102 BC is the basis of time frame all these 5000 yrs used by rishis & ancestors in Sankalpa for yajnas, puja and lakhs of times everyday even today.

Tamil Siddha hymns also give a formula to deduce the day, star etc of any day, anytime of this time frame of K.Yuga which is perfectly working. To deny this date is Videshi Indology. Our attempt should be to locate this date matching with hints given by Vyasa in MB. If we don’t get this date, it means we haven’t understood the hints correctly.

Hints in MB: Planetary position, Upagrahas, Gara Karana (one of Pancha angas) and terrestrial sightings.

1.Planets:-The reference to planets and their motion at the start of MB war pertains to Nimittha (निमित्त ) and the results/ predictions connected with planetary motions pertain to astrology, and not exactly about the position of those planets as per astronomy. Therefore one must not take the reference to planets at face value.

2. Upagrahas:- Syama, Dhuma and Ketu mentioned are Upagrahas of planets and located in relation to the respective planet on a particular day. They must support planetary position.

 3. Panchanga factor:- Gara karana appearing in Chitra (5-141-9)
नूनं मह भयं कृष्ण कुरूणां समुपस्थितम
     
विशेषेण हि वार्ष्णेय चित्रां पीडयते गरहः

Based on all these I derived 3 water-tight  features - Mars in Sravana, Saturn in Purva phalguni and an eclipsed Amavasya in Jyeshta with no eclipses in the preceding and successive pakshas and asked Dr N.Achar in Aug 2013 to check for the date in his astronomy software. He got two dates 3178 BCE and 3030 BCE, of which 3178 BCE is within 40 yrs of traditional date of MB.

Anyone showing a date less than this is welcome.

Why another year also appeared for the given inputs? Because we took only 3 factors that we are so sure about and they had existed at another date also. But the date closer to traditional date is taken, as the traditional date forms the basis of this research.

4. Terrestrial sightings:- Fierce winds, colour of the sky & of sun, showers of dust, trembling of earth, roaring noises, high waves at the seas, strange behaviour of animals etc narrated by Vyasa as terrestrial happenings fit in with after-effects of a meteor or asteroid hit somewhere on earth. In this context he speaks about Arundhati ahead of Vasistha. Immediately after that he notes that the deer image on the moon had deviated from original position.

Movement of Arundhati and deer image on moon are reported (seen) at the same moment. This is possible due to some atmospheric refraction. (Today both are all right). A meteor/ comet hit somewhere in the globe can cause this making the above mentioned sightings possible.
Around the same time of these sightings, a comet had hit Austria. A Cuneiform tablet prepared in 700 BC explains a meteor-fall 5000 years ago in Austria. Read https://phys.org/news/2008-03-cuneiform-clay-tablet.html#jCp

The date is deciphered as 29th June, 3123 BC! This is 15 yrs after MB war. A dating error could have caused this deviation. But description including the deviation of Arundhati and deer image of the moon is possible due change in the refractive index of the atmosphere caused to particles thrown in the air by meteor-hit.

Next catastrophe happened 36 years after Mahabharata war when Krishna left the world. Massive waves that hit Dwaraka could have been caused by an asteroid hit off the coast of Madagascar 5000 yrs ago. http://discovermagazine.com/2007/nov/did-a-comet-cause-the-great-flood#.UT23fVfsgZI The chevrons around Madagascar testify this. My article here http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/03/meteor-hit-in-russia-some-thoughts.html


Now taking up Oak’s theory of shift in the position of Arundhati, it can happen only under 2 circumstances. 1. If the earth reverses its direction of rotation, the stars in the circumpolar constellation (Ursa Major) will reverse the direction in which Arundhati will move in front of Vasistha. This reversal is impossible.

2. When Arundhati (Alcor) comes in front of Vashishta (Mizar) which can happen only after 375,000 yrs!  Read http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/mizar.html This cannot happen in a measurable span of human civilization.


What Oak says is with reference to change in equinoctial position or change in poles over 26000 years. The change in equinox – showing a shift in poles can be in understood by this figure.


In the hour-glass like span, earth’s axis draws an arc to and fro. Points A,B,C,D are four pole stars seen aligned with earth’s axis once in 6500 years. Shown in the figure.


For a terrestrial observer on the earth, this to-and fro movement will be 2-dimentional.  See the figure below where points B & D will be noticed at the same point in space. After all within 6500 x 4 yrs shift, the background cosmos does not shift much for observer.


The same is what our ancients had noticed which I showed in another article in another thread. With axis falling in Aries- Libra, the motion goes upto 27 degrees to and fro.



Within this the poles shift. For the naked eye observer, Ursa Major does not undergo any change. Take a look at the figure. To and fro oscillation for poles and Ursa Major does not cause change in position of Arundhati for an observer. She will be seen following Vashishta due to the same directional rotation of the earth. 


Even across time of 1000s of years, Vashishtha- Arundhati orientation to each does not change due to the gravitational coupling between them. Ursa major may change its shape, but Mizar- Alcor orientation and location  as seen from the earth won’t change. See this video



So what Vyasa noticed was an optical illusion caused by change in the refractive index of the atmosphere, which in turn was caused by a catastrophic meteor hit which is what his observations are about.

That Arundhati would not change position was noticed as early as Skanda’s times. MB 3-229 is about how the wives of 6 out 7 sapta rishis were disowned by their respective husbands and allotted motherhood of Skanda. The import is Arundhati alone stayed put without changing position. That is why she is made an icon of chastity. Such an Arundhati could have never changed position in the past or future. That is why she is exceptional. To say she changed position in the near past was poor understanding of why and how our ancients created certain icons like Arundhati.


Talking on Skanda we move to Ramayana date as Skanda is worshiped in the Mantra of Indra dvaja by Manu (Brihad Samhita 43:54-55) Means Skanda aka Muruga existed before Manu’s times. He was born in Pandyan dynasty as ‘Ugra kumara’ or Muruga and hosted the 1st Sangam age. The dates of 3 sangams deduced after research:



9990 BCE is the date after which Manu must have given the Indradvaja mantra. Only after that the  Ikshvaku dynasty was formed in which Rama was born much later.  Southern Madurai was capital of 1st Sangam age (5550 BC – 9990 BC). After it submerged, Kavaatam became the capital of 2nd Sangam age (5550 BC – 1850 BC). This capital is mentioned in V.Ramayana.

Internal evidence of Ramayana is “Kavatam of Pandyas!” कवाटम् पाण्ड्यानाम् – Valmiki Ramayana, chapter 41 -19). Sugreeva asked vanaras to search there. Date is anywhere between 5550 BC – 1850 BC

That Pandyans were contemporaries of Ravana is known from  Sinnamanur copper plates http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_3/copper_plates_at_tirukkalar.html 

In Sanskrit it is written "Dasaanan sandheepa rakshakaara". In Tamil the same is written as "dasavathanan saarbaaka sandhu seithum" Ravana bought peace with Pandyans – same thing told in Raghu Vamsam of Kalidasa 6-62


The location of Pandya is mentioned as “Aalavai” – another name for Kavaatam of the 2nd Sangam age. Read my article. http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2017/05/4-early-pandyan-history-found-in-raghu.html  So Rama lived during 2nd Sangam age of Pandyas. Definitely not before 5550 BCE.
Another internal reference: From my ppt presentation in SI3 conference




Now coming to Oak’s date, his date of Ramayana even pre-dates the beginning of Holocene which started around 11,500 yrs before present (BP). It marked the end of Ice age when Himalayas was heavily snow clad. Warmth flowed from south to north starting from 11,000 yrs to 7000 yrs. Only gradually Himalayans glaciers started breaking. So Ganga was not yet born in the time period he has given.

The Indian monsoon had not started at that time – a fact confirmed in Hancock’s vegetation map of India at 10,600 BC. Look at interior Deccan – no Dandakaranya forest. Description of rainy season of V.Ramayana is invalid in this period.


In Oak’s scheme, Vedic civilization goes beyond 15,000 yrs ago. Look at Hancock’s map prepared based on climate, rainfall etc of those times. Only habitable place was west coast, extended beyond present limits and in SE Tamilnadu.


If Oak still thinks that is date is right, let him challenge Hancock who prepared these maps.
Now coming to sea level, a bridge (Setu) could be built only if there is water between India and Srilanka. In the beginning of Holocene Lanka was landlocked like a peninsula – similar to Kathiawar Peninsula. Check out these maps of Hancock based on sea-level maps of Glen Milne. There was no need to build Setu in Oak’s date of Rama!


Till 8,900 BP there was land connection between India and lanka


By 7000 BP sea level almost reached the current level. Between 7700 BP to 6900 BP, sea waters completely separated Lanka from India for the first time. Only in this period Setu could have been built.

Note this period concurs with Bhatnagar’s date, 2nd Sangam date, and science channel date of boulders and geological studies done there. My article http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2017/12/science-channel-on-ram-setu-as-man-made.html


Nutshell: Absence of Ganga and presence of land-locked Lanka in Oak’s date demolish his date of Ramayana. Plus Indian monsoons not yet started and absence of forest formation in Deccan makes his date unrealistic. If he wants to challenge these, let him first disprove Hancock’s maps and the sea-level data. 

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UPDATE

My book critiquing Mr Nilesh Oak's book on Mahabharata research is available for free in Kindle Unlimited. Check out this link: https://www.amazon.in/MYTH-EPOCH-ARUNDHATI-NILESH-NILKANTH-ebook/dp/B07YVFNQLD

From the first page of the book:


Two chapters of this book can be read in academia.edu
Check out

1. List of Manipulations done by Nilesh Oak to "corroborate" his date of Mahabharata:

https://www.academia.edu/40802884/LIST_OF_MANIPULATIONS_DONE_BY_NILESH_OAK_TO_CORROBORATE_HIS_DATE_OF_MAHABHARATA

2. Date of Mahabharata from Internal Evidences
(I have validated the traditional date of Mahabharata war in the year Krodhi, Shukla Dwadasi (the day after Gitopadesa) that coincided with October 23, 3136 BCE in Gregorian calendar occurring 35 years before the start of Kali Yuga when Krishna exited the world)

https://www.academia.edu/40802932/DATE_OF_MAHABHARATA_FROM_INTERNAL_EVIDENCES

Check out the label in the side bar "Nilesh Nilkanth Oak" to read all the articles I have written critiquing various issues of his date of Mahabharata and Ramayana.   https://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/search/label/Nilesh%20Nilkanth%20Oak


I have released 8 videos so far narrating the issues with the Mahabharata date of Mr Nilesh Oak. Part 4 and 5 are on Vedic view of equinoctial movement and the Vedic version of the stars identified with the constellation of Shishumara.

All the videos can be accessed in the following links:


Part 1:  Mr Nilesh Oak's Epoch of Arundhati debunked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPE76TOiXWI

Part 2: Mr Nilesh Oak's Arundhati Falsifier proved false https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LDXDdgg5k

Part 3: Understanding seasons the Vedic Way (Part 3: critiquing Mr Nilesh Oak's date of Mahabharata)

Part 4: Understanding equinoxes the Vedic way

Part 5: Identifying Dhruva (son of Uttanapada) in the constellation of Shishumara.

Part 6: Mahabharata events not corroborated by Mr Nilesh Oak

Part 7: Analogies corroborated by Mr Nilesh Oak as astronomy observations

Part 8: Did Mr Nilesh Oak solve the mystery of Arundhati?