Saturday, December 15, 2012

Mayan Apocalypse – Will it come true?

Guess what these buildings in the pictures below are about? They are the shelters from the destruction expected on the Mayan Doomsday on 21st December 2012.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/08/doomsday-shelter-owners-hope-to-ready-for-the-worst_n_919806.html



http://www.kptm.com/story/18510179/preparing-for-the-end-doomsday-business-is-booming


It is said that nearly 10% of the people in the West believe that something terrible would happen on that day triggering a catastrophe. Perhaps a clash of ideals of Faith and ideas of science exists in the mind of average Westerners that they secretly fear that the Day of Judgement or Retribution could come any time.


For a Hindu, this clash is nowhere in existence, for, our scriptures tell us that all is not over with this birth. Our life goes on and on from one birth to another birth and that this cycle does not end so easily. This ensures that the earth goes on making itself fit for life for a limitless time in future. To give an idea of how long this journey of the earth is going to be, we have clear-cut concepts on Time and change of Time given by many sages and retold many times in the ancient scriptures.


While going through those views on Time given by the sages, we do come across Time as predicted on the basis of movement of Venus! This gave me an impetus to look into the Mayan views on Time and the accompanying predictions and compare it with the Vedic view of Time and predictions based on Venus (Shukra). What I deduced was published in an astrological magazine in June 2012. What I found out was that Mayan calculations could have been derived from the now extinct method of Measurement of Time called Asura-mana or Shukra-mana of the Vedic system, which was based on movement of Venus and which was applicable to people living in the Southern hemisphere. The important inference is that there is no doomsday prediction connected with the Mayan scale of time.


An important hypothesis I have made in this article is with reference to the famous step pyramid called as Temple of Kukulkan at Chichen Itza. Kukulkan in the Mayan language means snake.  A similar name exists in Tamil  and Sanskrit also as Kukkuta sarpam. It means an old snake which had shrunk in size to that of a kukkuta or a rooster or a cock due to old age. This Kukkuta is the bird that wakes up people in the morning – before sun rise.


A look at this step pyramid shows a striking resemblance to the positions of Venus as it rises before sunrise in the east. Venus cannot go beyond 47.8° above the ground. When Venus reappears after a conjunction with Sun, one can watch its location in the backdrop of this step pyramid.



In this picture of that step pyramid called as snake pyramid  - or Kukulkan by the Mayan, I have shown white dots on the right side next to the steps. These dots trace the path of Venus as it rises up in the early morning sky in the east. The top- most dot is the maximum height that Venus can go in the sky – this is my presumption.  I request researchers to check whether this actually happens for an observer on the ground.


The source for this presumption is that in Vedic astrology, Venus is supposed to travel across 9 streets or Veedhis. These are described in Brihad Samhitha as the paths in which Venus moves.  These streets are identified by stars of the Zodiac ( 27 in all). The temple of Kukulkan also has 9 steps and there is a popular Mayan concept of going to the other world or underworld through these 9 steps.


In the picture I have shown the rising path. After reaching the maximum height (perhaps the height of this temple) Venus will start climbing down. That path can also be followed by these steps.


The most important information is that, Venus will be invisible at the bottom for some days when it is in conjunction with the sun. Its first reappearance after conjunction is of importance in Vedic astrology on Venus and also in the Mayan system. Such reappearance comes with some predictions for the land from where it is observed. Brihat samhita gives predictions for its reappearance that could happen in any of the 27 stars of the zodiac. No one in the world – not even the Indians have bothered to know them and spread them around. But what the Mayans have told for each of those reappearances has been taken by the Western people seriously, who have spread them as though those predictions were told for them!!


Perhaps they had a commercial reason behind all that. The website that recorded those predictions had also suddenly found a monetary value by going into hiding them and making people pay for reading them. ( http://therealmayanprophecies.com/mayan-predictions-for-1993-2012/#.UMwXr3f9Uoo )


For people like us, Sanatan dictum is that knowledge must be acquired and spread without expecting anything in return. The Mayans also were of that stock as there is Vedic influence on them. Bhrighu, Shukracharya and Mayan come under the same category of people who had mastered material sciences as an extension of Atharva Veda. They followed what was called Shukra mana or Measurement of Time of Venus. My attempt in this article is to show that Mayan concepts must be studied along with concepts on Venus given in Vedic astrology to see whether the lost Shukramana can be re-constructed.


The article is reproduced below and can also be read in my scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/103043866/Mayan-dooms-day-Vedic-astrology  

Earlier in 2008, I wrote 5 reasons why the world would not end on 21st December 2012. It can be read here:-

5 reasons why the world will not end on 2012.

 

Now on to the article:-

THE MAYAN APOCALYSE –  A Vedic view.

By

Jayasree Saranathan.

(Article published in the June 2012 issue of The Astrological eMagazine)


The doomsday prediction of the Mayan calendar that the world would come to an end on 21st December 2012 has done enough rounds around the world. This prediction is different from the prophecies of the Nostradamus kind, because the Mayans had based their predictions on a repetitive calendar system of astronomical position of planets. This background of the predictions naturally arouses the interest of astrologers like us who have been introduced to traditional astrology given by the Vedic seers. Of particular interest is the importance given to Venus in the Mayan calendar. The origin of the Mayan calendar coming from regions closer to the southern hemisphere raises our curiosity as to whether the System of Venus, known as Shukra-mana was the basis for the Mayan calendar. In this article, an attempt is made to bring out the salient features of the Shukramana, taking cue from Brihad Samhita and interfacing them with Mayan revelations and the probable interpretation of the Mayan prediction of 21st December, 2012.


Before going into the details, let us remind ourselves of the Mayan connection to our traditional astrology. The name Maya comes as a Vastu specialist and also as an astrologer who received the wisdom of Surya Siddhantha. In both these contexts Maya is either referred to as a Danava or an Asura. Surya Siddhantha recognises him as an Asura only. We should recall that the region to the south of the equator was peopled with Asuras according to Puranic narrations. The Asuras of the south and the Devas who inhabited the Northern hemisphere were guided by their respective preceptors namely Shukra (Venus) and Brihaspathi (Jupiter) respectively. For the astrologer, the important information is that the cycle of Jupiter, known as Brihaspatya-mana was in vogue in the Northern hemisphere. This gives a presumption that the Cycle of Venus called as Shukra-mana must have been popular in the southern hemisphere.


Although not much is known about Shukra-mana, the traditional opinion is that such a system of time measurement did exist as part of different systems of mana or measurement of time. Interestingly Mayaasura received the knowledge of nine systems of Mana according to the narration in the Surya Siddhantha. They are Brahma-mana, Prajapatya-mana, Deva-mana, Pitru-mana, Saura-mana, Chandra-mana, Savana-mana, Nakshatra-mana and Brihaspatya-mana.  The Brihaspathya mana is based on Jupiter and was followed by the Devas or the people of the Northern hemisphere. But an Asura receiving that knowledge precludes that he later deduced the Mana for the Asuras or the inhabitants of the Southern hemisphere. There does exist in some compilations that a mana known as Asura-mana was in vogue in times of past but was lost due to dis-use in the region where we live, namely the Northern hemisphere.


An analysis of the past does reveal that a system of astrology propagated by Maya and applicable to the southerners did exist in the past. From Vedic texts we come to know that a common ancestry of seers known as 'Bhrugvangiras' got divided into Bhrugu and Angiras. Bhrugu's disciple was Shukra, who became teacher for Asuras (demons). And from Angiras came Brihaspathy who became the teacher for Devas. The sage Bhrugu and the teacher of Shukra are grouped along with Maya in Matsya Purana as sages who were proficient in Vaastu sastra. Thus we find a connection between Maya and Shukra and Asuras, the people of Southern regions. This background information gives credence to the Bhrugu or Shukra mana (Asura-mana) system of time measurement as the origin of the Mayan belief system that is found in the Mesoamerican regions including Mexico and in regions just north and south of the Equator. The importance given to Venus in their systems also lends credence to its origin in Asura-mana or Shukra-mana.


The Mayan calendar of Time.


The Maya followed 3 types of calculation of time. One is the Long Count which is similar to Yuga cycles running into thousands of years. One such long cycle is going to end on 21st December 2012.


The second one is a Divine calendar (Tzolkin) running to a duration of 260 days. This resembles our Lunar calendar which we use for religious purposes. The Maya have 13 rounds of 20 days each, making up 260 days of the divine calendar. Many theories are floating to justify this number. One theory of importance to astrologers is that 260 is the number of days between two consecutive zeniths for the sun at the place where Mayas once lived. This place was known as Izapa and now they call it Chiapas Mexico which lies at 15 degrees N.  Gnomons used for observing the path of the sun have been unearthed in this place giving credence to this notion.

The third one is the Civil calendar (Haab) which is equal to the Solar year. The Maya count it as 18 rounds of 20 days each and an extra 5 days. The last five days are considered to be dangerous and evil. These two (divine and civil calendar) are used in everyday life by the Mayans and they repeat every 52 years. In other words the Mayans had 52 year cycle that is similar to the 60 year cycle of the Brihaspatya mana.


Apart from this, the Mayans had a Short count of 13 rounds of 20 years for which they had written predictions. An important feature of this count is that the 12th round of the present series is also coming to an end on 21st December 2012. These dates indicate the end of a cycle which is being variously interpreted as a doomsday prediction.


A cursory look at the prediction for the 12th cycle spanning for 20 years from 1993 to 2012 will reveal what the Mayans thought. It runs as follows:

 "There will be scarcities of corn and squash during this katun (20 year period) and this will lead to great mortality. This was the katun during which the settlement of Chichen Itza (a place where Mayans lived and built a temple) occurred, when the man-god Kukulcan (Quetzalcoatl) arrived. It is the katun of remembering and recording knowledge."

(http://therealmayanprophecies.com/mayan-predictions-for-1993-2012/#.UMwXr3f9Uoo )


Apparently this period shows a regional scarcity in food production. It also says a date in the past when people had settled in the area.  According to this Short count, it would come to an end on 21st December 2012, when the last and the 13th count of the current Short series would begin. The 13th count will run for 20 years and end in 2032. By a coincidence the Long count and the 12th round of the Short Count are coming to an end on 21st December this year. There is absolutely no prediction of an apocalypse for this date given in the Mayan books.


Venus as the basis of Mayan system.


 The system of Long and Short count looks similar to 12 rounds of Jupiter's cycle with small round of 5 years each, with one count getting fitted into another count. The Jupiter cycle is known as Brihaspatya mana which is based on the movement of Jupiter around the zodiac with its starting point occurring in the constellation of Dhanishta in the month of Magha, with its reappearance from a conjunction with the Sun after Jupiter has crossed its sign of debility. Infact predictions in our astrology for all the planets except Saturn and the nodes are based on the reappearance after a conjunction (asthang) with sun. The counting of the lunar month starts the day after conjunction of moon with the sun. For Mars, its point of retrogression after reappearance from conjunction with Sun is taken into consideration for different types of predictions. For Mercury, its reappearance after a conjunction with Sun is noted for making predictions according to Varahamihira. Similarly, for Venus too, its reappearance after a conjunction with Sun is taken into consideration for making predictions. This system explained in Brihad Samhita is also found in the Mayan book of Chilam Balam. (Note this name Chilam Balam of the Maya sounds like Chidambaram, the abode of Nataraja, which was actually called as Chelambaram or Chelambalam until 200 years ago as per the records of the Colonial travellers. "Handbook for India – Part 1" by Edward Eastwick, 1859)


The Chilam Balam tells about a Venus cycle of 584 days and the tracking of the heliacal rising of Venus as the morning and evening star accompanied with predictions for these. Many dates have been given in this context with prediction of war or loss or growth of crop or failure of crop etc. This is significant because 584 is the number of days that Venus takes to come closer to earth (called as inferior conjunction) before it changes as evening or morning star.  Of this 236 is the number of days that Venus is in the eastern sky as the morning star. For 90 days Venus is in upper conjunction (on the other side of sun) when it will become invisible to earth. In the next 250 days Venus is the western sky as the evening star. Then for 8 days, Venus is in inferior conjunction by coming in between the earth and the sun. On the day that I am writing this article, Venus is in inferior conjunction – crossing the disc of the sun!


The Mayan dates reveal the above position of Venus. For example one of the dates was January 27, in the year 727. On that day Venus made the reappearance in Dhanishta as the morning star after an inferior conjunction. Another date is September 17, 915 AD. That was also the day of reappearance in the east as morning star after an inferior conjunction. Venus reappeared in Uttara Phalguni on that day. Like this many dates coincide with the heliacal rising of Venus and they are mentioned along with a prediction. If we look at Varahamihira's version, he has also given prediction for the heliacal rising of Venus for all 27 stars.


For example when Venus reappears in Dhanishta, the heretics will suffer. When it reappears in Uttara Phalguni, Varahamihira says that the people of Kuru, Panchala and Jangala would perish and there would be good rains. It is here we can see how the prediction is localised. This prediction has no relevance to Mayan lands but only to India. But the fact that the Mayans observed the reappearance and based a prediction on it shows that the methodology was same or derived from a common source or a parental source, perhaps from the Vedic Shukracharya. But predictions were made after observing Nature and mankind for very many years.  The Mayan prediction is different but applicable to the region where it is used. This is the basic feature that we must see before taking the Mayan prediction of 21st December seriously.


Scientists have said that the Mayan dates coinciding with the heliacal rising come with a minor error, which is inevitable in direct observation. They also have said that the observation is applicable to the landscape of Mayan presence where the predictions were originally written. This is substantiated by the predictions for helical rising for Venus differing from Varahamihira's predictions. It shows that the methodology is same but the predictive part differs from region to region. Many of the Chilam Balam dates also tally with the dates of heliacal rising of Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.


The beginning of Mayan cycle.


Basically the Brahaspatya mana starts after Jupiter moves out of its sign of debility and emerges out of a conjunction with the Sun. It is logical to expect a similar rationale for Shukramana also. And we are in for a surprise because the Long Count of the Maya shows such a rise for Venus. The current Long Count started on August 11, 3114 BC. The skymap shows that Venus has come out of its debility and also reappeared from a conjunction with Sun. This cycle is going to come to an end on 21st December this year which many people think is predicted as the day of Cataclysm. This end date also has Venus coming out of debility and disappearing in conjunction with the sun. However some people question the exactness of this date. But going by the logic reappearance with beginning of a cycle and disappearance with the end of the cycle, I think the more apt date would be 13th December 2012 and not 21st December. On 13th December, 2012, Venus disappears from our sight due to conjunction with the Sun and had also emerged out of its debility.


The skymaps on the beginning and end of the cycle are shown in figures 1 and 2. An interesting feature is that Saturn is in exaltation during these two occasions. Perhaps the cycle of Venus has exalted Saturn as a main companion in its movement.



Figure 1



Figure 2


The end of the cycle as shown on figure 2 is publicised as the end of the world. The Mayan prediction reading does not say that the world would end on that day. However the 6-month period culminating in December has the astrological combination for natural calamities such as earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. (Refer my 2-part article on "Predicting earthquakes" published in January and May 2010 issues of this Magazine.) The location is the Americas. It is pertinent to note here that a volcano became active about a month ago in Mexico. Whatever prediction is made in Mayan books, it is applicable to the Mayan regions (Mesoamerica) and not for the world over.


Comparison of Mayan system with Varahamiharan astrology.


There are two parallels between Mayan and Varahamihiran astrology. Varahamihira tells about 9 Veedhis in which Venus travels. He attributes different versions of this Veedhi concept to different sources in the past, but the core concept centres around 9 veedhis or 9 streets in the sky. They are identified by the stars in the sky. The appearance or reappearance of Venus (after conjunction with Sun) in these Veedhis is connected with specific predictions. A parallel is seen in Mayan calendar of 9 lords of night or 9 underworlds of Chichen Itza. The figure 3  shows the image of this building (called as Chichen Itza) which was measured by the famous sculptor of India, Sri Ganapathi Sthapathi who found the structure to be perfectly Vastu complaint as per Mayamatha.

 


(Figure 3)



The figure 4 gives the close up feature of the 9 steps, which the Mayan called as 9 underworlds.


(Figure 4)


This structure built about 1000 years ago is variously explained by researchers, but an analysis of the location of Venus in the sky in the backdrop of the steps in this structure might throw interesting results, for, the steps remind us of the 9 Veedhis in which Venus travels. Seen from the ground level, the rise and decline of Venus in the sky could well match with the steps of this structure.


Yet another concept that resonates with Brihad Samhita is that of Venus travelling in 6 Mandalas. The sky is divided into 6 Mandalas and the reappearance of Venus (after conjunction with Sun) in a Mandala is noted with specific predictions. In the Mayan system, the lunation is seen in a series of 6. That is, the sky is divided into 6 segments and moon's transit is recorded in each of these with specific predictions. Instead of Venus they see moon's transit in the 6 Mandalas.


The Mayans have a system of 13 rounds of 20 days or 20 years each. This is in contrast to the 12 rounds (yugas) of 5 years each of Jupiter in the Brihaspatya mana. The Mayan number 13 could mean the 13 lunar months. The number 20 also comes along with moon's transit as they count only the days when the moon is seen before it disappears and after it reappears. This is known from the fact that they use a specific glyph to denote lunation for 19 days and another one from 20 to 30 days of lunation.


The Venus cycle of Maya has 52 years – the rationale behind which is not yet deciphered. But the number 13 has relevance in this cycle as 4 times 13 is 52. There will be 8 rounds of 584 cycle of inferior conjunction in 52 years. Like this, different categories of movement of Venus are incorporated in the Mayan calendar making us think that it could be based on the forgotten Shukramana. The detailed analysis of the Mayan system might perhaps enable us to retrieve the forgotten Shukramana.


(End of the article)


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Related article:-


From


http://science.time.com/2012/12/12/nasa-versus-the-mayan-madness/

NASA vs. the Maya Madness

 


If you want to see a roomful of people roll their eyes, just walk into a gathering of astronomers — or experts on ancient Mesoamerican civilizations, for that matter — and shout, "Mayan apocalypse!" For years now, the idea that the earth will be destroyed in a terrible cataclysm on Dec. 21, 2012, has been bouncing around the Internet and showing up in articles, books and even movies. It's been the inspiration for get-rich-quick schemes. It's like Y2K all over again, but at least that episode of end-of-world hysteria was reality-based.

(MORE:  Cinematic Visions of the Apocalypse)

The 2012 apocalypse, by contrast, is just plain nutty. An asteroid is not about to hit the earth. Neither is an imaginary planet called Nibiru. Our world isn't going to be abruptly flipped upside down like a burger on a griddle. The earth won't be plunged into a three-day blackout. And contrary to what you've been hearing, Maya astrologers never said any of that stuff would actually happen. The idea is so preposterous that a Web search for "Mayan apocalypse" turns up as many spoofs as it does serious discussions.

The truth is a lot more prosaic than what the tinfoil-hat crowd would have you believe. Yes, the Maya had what's known as a Long Count calendar, and yes, that calendar ends on Dec. 21, 2012. But the delightful thing about calendars — including the one the Maya used — is that they always start over again from zero. Just because we have a record of the Long Count equivalent of last year doesn't mean the Maya weren't busy working on next year's. As for Nibiru, well, never mind. That one was borrowed from the ancient Sumerians, and the original prediction was that we'd get clobbered by the free-range planet in 2003. You might have noticed that that didn't happen, so the date of arrival was moved up to 2012 to coincide with the Maya silliness. An apocalyptic twofer!

(MORE: Safe Haven from the Maya Apocalypse? Sorry, We're Closed)

All the same, some folks at NASA are seriously worried — not about the end of the world but about the real harm the loose talk may be doing to some people's mental health. "I get a tremendous number of e-mails about it," says David Morrison, a space scientist at the NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field in California, who hosts the agency's Ask an Astrobiologist website. "A large fraction are from people asking if the world will end, saying they're scared and don't know what to do. A few even talk about suicide."

It might seem implausible that people would kill themselves over an imaginary cosmic event, but it happened back in 1997, when 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult in Southern California committed mass suicide under the delusion that the approach of Comet Hale-Bopp meant it was time to leave their physical bodies. Fearing that people were taking the 2012 scaremongering too seriously, NASA convened a Google+ hangout on Nov. 28 during which people could interact with six astronomers who were prepared to debunk any myth the public could throw at them. For nearly an hour, they did just that, patiently explaining, for example, that any asteroid en route to obliterating earth in just a few short weeks would have been spotted by telescopes long ago and that Nibiru, one of whose leading proponents is a woman who insists she's in touch with aliens from the Zeta Reticuli star system, would be the brightest object in the sky after the sun and moon.

But NASA has been debunking the apocalypse for years now, in the same patient and rational manner, and it hasn't helped a whole lot. "I'm told that about 10% of the public believes this stuff," says Seth Shostak, a scientist with the SETI Institute in Mountain View, Calif., who wasn't part of the online hangout. "That's about the same percentage that believes in Santa Claus and thinks we never went to the moon."

Trying to reduce that percentage by providing facts isn't necessarily going to work, since proponents of the nonsense provide plenty of their own "facts." "I have to admit," says Morrison, "that there's something of an inherent contradiction when we scientists tell people not to trust things they read on the Internet, and then put information on the Internet."

The real problem, said Andrew Fraknoi, an astronomer at Foothill College in Los Altos, Calif., during the NASA webcast, "is that our schools have not taught skeptical thinking, have not taught children to distinguish between fantasy and reality. The real threat in 2012 is the public's low level of science understanding."

(MORE: Found: The Oldest Maya Calendar)

Whether that could lead to panic or suicides this time around is unclear. Only a tiny handful of the thousands of worried e-mails Morrison has gotten raise the disturbing possibility of people taking their own lives, and those have all been from adults.

But even if kids are not suicidal, plenty of them are frightened, and have been for a long time. "Two years ago, I met with a group of middle-school science teachers," Morrison says, "and I asked them how many of them were seeing kids who were worried about 2012. Nearly every hand shot up." When Dec. 21 comes and goes without incident, those fears should finally evaporate — that is, until the next doomsday pronouncement comes along.


Read more: http://science.time.com/2012/12/12/nasa-versus-the-mayan-madness/#ixzz2F6BXfXGM

 

 

 

Saturday, December 8, 2012

Brazen attempt by a Christian Father to convert a Vedic scholar – reader Ramanathan recalls his horrible experience.


Regular readers of this blogspot must be aware of our learned reader cum contributor of articles on Vedic Yajnas, Mr Ramanathan. A traditional follower of Vedic customs and life style, this young scholar met with a strange experience of being coaxed by a Christian priest to convert to Christianity. When none of his arguments could succeed, he retorted by asking why our scholar was worshiping Shiva in spite of he being an Aryan!!!!

Read on to know what he replied….


Musings on the "Dravidian" god shiva

By

Ramanathan Ramakrishnan.

This is not yet another article on the Aryan/Dravidian debated. It is due to some personal experiences I write this. As a layman in history, the Aryan invasion theory and its polemics were a non-entity to me. I remember studying in my 6th class (in 1986) history text book the following, what sounds now to me too ridiculous.

1.      A group of people called the Aryans came thundering down the Khyber Pass and invaded India, which was originally inhabited by the ancestors of the present Dravidians (who were sophisticated urban people). 

2.      They were pastoral tribals and had little culture (but a sophisticated language???) and wandered on the Eurasian steppes on horses prior to the invasions. They drank Soma and Sura and in their drunken stupor wrote primitive praises to natural gods, which was the Rig veda.

3.      When they invaded India they came on horse drawn chariots with iron spoke wheels and Iron weapons (???). As per Witzel (whom I came to read about only recently, as will be explained going further) these thundering chariots struck terror in the poor Harappans. Though the Harappans had sophisticated & highly planned towns, they did not have horses and chariots and no Iron weapons. They had only bullock carts with solid wheels!!!. Thus they were no match for the Aryans and were routed. From that fateful day the entire Bharath was overwhelmed by tribal soma drinking Aryans!!!.

I studied all these with a view to just pass exams and all these childish theories had no personal impact on my personal life. Also as a part of being born and brought up in Madurai in Tamil-Nadu, I also witnessed many street corner meetings conducted by the D.K (Dravidiar Kazhagam). In these meetings, the "Bread and Butter" speeches of the speakers were invariably against the "Aryaa Parpanargal (Iyers)" and their "Cunning ploys" and how they screwed up things and made life miserable in TN. This was a practical example of the impact the theory had. But even here I did not care and it had no impact on me at all. In fact one of the boys in my street had an uncle who spoke in those meetings. I even met him a couple of times at this boy's house and he spoke very jovially and sounded friendly.  So to me the Aryan invasion theory and Aryan/Dravidian divide meant nothing. 

I did not care to follow all the debates and discussions from my school days till as recently as last week. I had never really known names like Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib, Witzel, Rajaram, Mahadevan Irawadam and so on. It was last week when I was going to a friend's wedding in Trivandrum from Bangalore that my interest in this theory was piqued up. It happened in this way.  

On the railway journey a Christian father who sat opposite to my seat got into a chat with me.
It started with small talk: Who I was?,
What was my Name and Native?.
What was my profession?.
Well "you seem to be a smart young man, are'nt you?" kind of stuff.

All this seemed to be unnatural to me. Then as I suspected the million dollar question came.
"Why don't you believe in "Jesus" as your savior and redeem yourself from sin?.".  
I said I was not interested, thank you. But he would not have no for an answer and continued saying that he understood and sympathized with me. I was a confused Hindu.

He condescended to "understand" that since we Hindus worshipped 33 million "False" gods I was not clearly understanding "Christ" and his love.
At this, I got a little irritated and asked him that if Christians only believed in one god and one savior and one book and one heaven, why the hell were there innumerable denominations like Catholics, protestants, Lutherans, Mormons etc?.
 
It is natural to have such conflicts in "polytheistic" religions like Hinduism with 4 vedas, 2 Ithihasas and 18 puranas,  but why, in the "Only true" religion?.
Why one sect did not respect the other?.

For example as per the Seventh day Adventists Sabbath is not on Sunday but Saturday.  Also the pope says that the Roman Catholic faith is the only true faith for salvation and he does not accept the Anglican Church.
In England and Europe either the Catholics persecuted the Protestants at some period and in some other periods it was the reverse.
Also in the US the Mormons are not a recognized proper Christian denomination.

This irritated him and out of the blue he asked me "Why was a Vedic Aryan Brahmin (I have a shika & study the yajur veda) like me, worshipping Shiva (I had ashes on my forehead), a Dravidian god?".

This totally stumped me. Shiva a Dravidian god?.  None of my elders told me this. None of my friends (Brahmin or otherwise) considered me an Aryan.
Then I asked him what gods he thought as Aryan.

He told that It was mainly Indra, Vishnu, varuna etc who were Aryan and he was categorical in stating Shiva as Dravidian.

I asked him what about Rudra?. This god appears in the Vedic hymns frequently?. He said that Rudra was not shiva and Shiva was a Dravidian god.

Now this statement made me take up the study of the entire Aryan Invasion theory(AIT) on the net the entire last week. During this I came to know about the names I mentioned at the top. As far as I read, this theory is slowly getting debunked by multipronged evidence. But the AIT has changed to AMT(Aryan migration), trickle migration and what not!!!. One queerer thing I found is the language spoken by the Aryans before invasion. It seems to be called PIE (Proto Indo European). This language also seems to be as fictitious as the Aryans themselves. Looks like the AIT is slowly out on its way into oblivion

Some fundamental doubts

But before this I want to understand some points in the AIT debate that are not answered clearly. Some help needed here. AIT scholars?

1.     Why are western Indologists only obsessed about the Rig veda alone and not the Yajur veda or the samans?. They consider these "later" which means it is un-important?.  The Rig Veda has a very advanced Sacrificial culture in it. In fact all the 3 Vedas mention each other within themselves and I do not see why one is less or more. Traditional scholars, who have dedicated their lives for Vedic study, do not say that the Rig is better than the Yajus or vice versa. Has the opinion of traditional Vedic teachers who really have lived a Vedic life and breath it, ever been collected?. As far as I know each veda is functionally different that's it.

2.     How did Max Muller date the Vedas?. I read that is was based on linguistic conjectures. Some conjectures and speculations based on the rate at which language usage changes. Also some biblical events seemed to have influenced him. Has there ever been any real Mathematical/Scientific dating done by him?.

3.     Did Max Muller ever come to India to get an experience of Indian culture?. Yes according to some and no according to some others. I had the opportunity to talk to Rig vedic Ganapaatis who have studied it with all 6 Veda Angas. They all say that one of the worse Bhashyas they ever read was Max Mullers. In many ways it violates standard grammer rules and Swara rules is what they say.

4.     Why would in the first place the Aryans choose to migrate? Any drastic changes in living conditions in their primary homeland?.

5.     Has there been any archeological evidences for such a migration?.

6.     As for this mythical PIE, has any piece of literature in this language found?

7.     Last not least, how could a primitive Aryan race who just herded cattle riding on horses in the steppes produce such prodigious volumes of literature, whose quality is unparalleled in any civilization yet?. On the other hand the sophisticated urban dwelling Harappans did not have any great literature. All so contradicting.

Is shiva really a Dravidian god?.

I have some knowledge of the Yajur veda and the Rig veda. With that I started analyzing this statement. The only reason which I saw why Lord Shiva is not accepted as an Aryan gods is that the word "Shiva" does not appear in the Rig veda but only the term "Rudra" occurs.

But the Yajur Veda has Shiva repeating multiple times as Rudra's equivalent. Why on earth based on this on word alone should this be denied?. And also why would the Yajus be rejected here?. Also some suggest "Siva" & "Shambu" originated from Tamizh words "Sivappu" and "Chembu". But I do not think it is right because there is a distinct difference in the "Sha" consonant which is an Ushma consonant from Sanskrit grammer.  "Chembu" would use "Cha", which is distinct from "Sha".
God knows how one was derived from the other. So based on the non-occurrence of "Shiva" in the Rig Veda alone Shiva is called a Dravidian god.

Also since Vishnu was an Aryan god I started looking into the Shaiva-Vaishnava debates and what they had to say about this. Nowhere did I find that Shaivaites reject Vishnu because he is an Aryan god. Or Vaishnavaites reject Shiva saying he is a Dravidian god.  The entire debate is based on either the deeds of the gods based on the puranas and their appearences. Also some vaishnavaites claim that the word "Shiva" in the vedas, did not mean "Rudra". But it meant "Auspiciousness". Since Shiva was a god who hobnobbed with ghosts from the graveyard he cannot be auspicious. Thus nowhere in the Shaiva & Vaishnava rivalry we this Aryan/Dravidian divide.

Also the Thillai Vaazh Andanar (Ancint saivite Brahmins in  Chidambaram) study the veda seriously. They are also staunch Shaivites. They don't say Vedas or Vishnu is Aryan or Shiva was Dravidian. They say Vishnu was one of the minor deities with Shiva being the supreme.

Tamizh Shaivite saints like Gnanasambandar have sung
"Long live righteous Vedic Brahmins, whose penance are needed for a proper bountiful rainfall. Long live the king to protect dharma. Let the name of Hara spread". As seen here he does not consider Brahmins "Aryan" and shiva a "Dravidian" god. He himself was a shaivite Brahmin and his father had performed a Vedic soma sacrifice. All the 4 great shaivaite saints have sungs very beautiful and highly devotional songs on shiva but none disparage the vedas as Aryan.

Now consider the "Divyaprabandam". It consists of 4000 beautiful hymns packed with devotion to Vishnu. It was considered as Tamizh Vedam. One of the composers was a devotee called Nammazhvar who belonged to the fourth Varna. As per the Aryan Dravidian divide he should be Dravidian. But he composed this wonderful work and compares it with the Vedas. He a "Shudra" singing praises of an Aryan god?  

This also goes to show that the 4th Varna did not think of themselves as Dravidians and were separate from Aryans. In the same mould are Thirupanazhwar, who was outside the pale of the four castes. He was highly devoted to Vishnu.  He did not consider himself an Adivasi.

Also one more point quoted here is that a "Linga" was found in the Harappan civilization. This proves that it was Dravidian as this "Linga" worship is predominant in the south. But in the Mahanarayana Upanishad of the Krishna Yajur Veda, there is a mantra beginning with "Nidhanapathayee namaha" and ending with "Sarvalingam sthapayati pani mantram pavithram". This is a mantra for linga pratishta. So where is linga worship absent in the Veda?.

In innumerable shiva temples in Tamil Nadu (all the ones in the Nava kailasam temple series on the Thamiraparani), the lord is named "Kailasa Nathar". If shiva was Dravidian why is he named after a place, northern most in India?

Also the Shiva yogi Thirumoola who composed the great "Thirumandiram" of 3000 verses, says that he was a yogi in the Himalayas and Nandikeshvara's shishya. The Thirumandiram is a canonical Shaivite text in Tamizh. Why would they want to choose a book written by a person from the "Aryan" North?.

Also reference to shiva with his consort Ambika occurs in the Yajur veda samhita frequently.
Also again in the Yajur Veda there is a reference to shiva wearing a tiger cloth and having pinaka club In hand. 

Also sometimes Rudra is extolled as Agni and Agni as Rudra in the Yajur veda. Sometimes Indra too danced as Shiva of the puranas.

Conclusions

All these show that shiva was never a Dravidian god or Vishnu Aryan or vice versa. There is no scriptural (Vedic or Agamic) evidence for this. It was just that the father I mentioned above was quoting blindly, something he read somewhere and did not understand. He just wanted to confuse me. The Aryan/Dravidian theory refuses to die fast and it is been exploited by missionaries to the hilt for conversion by resorting to theories of 19th century "Imperialistic", "Missionary minded" Indologists.