Friday, August 5, 2011

Should women not chant Vedas? (part-3)

Other parts of this series can be read here: Part 1  Part 2  Part 4   Part 5

We are now going to see whether
there were any stipulations in vogue
regarding recital of vedas.
If so, what are they?

Ramanuja in his Bhashya to the very first sutra of
Brahma sutras, namely 'Then, therefore, the inquiry
into the Brahman',
speaks elaborately about the need
to learn the Sruti texts (just recitation) before
taking up any analysis of the nature of Brahman. It is
like this. The learning in those days consisted of two
parts, the study of Purva Mimamsa and
Utthara mimamsa.
The former is known as Karma khandam and the latter,
Gyaana khandam. The former is about learning by heart
the various verses chanted during various sacrifices
etc, commonly known as 'works' (karma yogam). The
latter is about discussions on meditations (upasana),
which are connected with works. They are of the
nature of knowledge of Brahman.

Various commentators including Ramanuja, while
analysing the import of terms 'then' and 'therefore'
in this sutra, have given different opinions. If we
rely on Adi Shankara, the analysis that I have undertaken
would become hassle-free. Because, Shankara does not
see the recital or the chanting of Vedas as mandatory
or compulsory for one who wishes to take up Gyana
khandam. All that one has to possess to pursue the
analysis of Brahman are 4 in number. They are (1)
discrimination between things permanent and
transcient, (2) renunciation of the enjoyment of work
in this world and next, (3) the six treasures, viz.,
sama, dama, uparati, titiksA, samAdhAna and shraddha
and (4) an intense desire for liberation.

But Ramanuja thinks that any person wishing to pursue
the knowledge of Brahman
must first learn to chant the
Vedas (swadhyayam).
He thinks that learning Vedas is a
Samskaara (refinement or exaltation of excellence) and
Swadhyaaya forms the object of Samskaara.
Taittriya
upanishad
is quoted to substantiate this.

He says memory forms the core ingredient for acquiring
knowledge
. And memory is best toned when the saadhaka
is involved in constant practice of manana of the
Vedas.
What he gains by reciting Vedas is an
enhancement of mental reception
. "Mental reception of
a collection of syllables" and the remembrance by
listening to "the recitation by the teacher followed
by the after-recitation (by the pupil)"
help in better
memory. "
The memory becomes firm; when such memory is
obtained, there is the loosening of all knots
", says
Chandogya (VII-26-2).

"For constant remembrance, sacrifices etc are the
means. This constant remembrance, which is the same as
knowing, practiced throughout life, is the only means
to the realization of Brahman and all duties
prescribed for various stages of life (ashrama) have
to be observed only for the origination of knowledge."

"By this all previous sins (death) which obstruct the
origination of knowledge are destroyed. "By the
performance of duties, sins are destroyed."

Gitacharyan says this when He said that Janaka
attained perfection only by 'works' (karma yogam)
Ramanuja gives copious quotes to substantiate that
recital of Vedas must precede or is antecedent to
Gyana khandam or inquiry into Brahman.

He also draws quotes from Satapatha Brahmana and Manu
smrithi
to say how the learning must begin. It is
invariably about the
Gurukula vaasam that is to begin
when the person is 8 years of age. Ramanuja tells in
detail the age, the season, the auspicious dates and
other related information about how a person must
begin his learning of Vedas.

This at one stroke strikes down the chances of a girl
doing the learning
. It was impossible for a girl of 8
years in those days to be left in the Gurukul for a
period of 8 to 12 years (the education had varied
between these years). Ramanuja insists that such
learning as per ashrama dharma was necessary, because
that is what scriptures say.

This is the core reason why women could not
and did not take up learning of the Vedas. Since
acquiring knowledge of the Brahman necessitated
learning / chanting Vedas, women in general were not
able to do this.

In Ramanuja's words, "Knowledge which is the means of
attaining the Brahman desiderates all the works
enjoined in connection with the various ashramas
(stages of life).
Hence as the knowledge of the true
nature of the works so desiderated and also the
knowledge of the small and impermanent character of
the results of mere works are (both) conclusively
dealt with in the Karma mimamsa – that mimamsa alone
has to be mentioned as the necessary antecedent of the
inquiry into Brahman."
(It is also meant hereby that
when a person learns to recite the manthras for
sacrifices, he eventually comes to know that the
results of these sacrifices are not permanent and
that upasana of the Brahman alone is capable of giving
permanent and highest result namely, Release / Moksha.)

Thus it is not about the gender but about how the
process must be undertaken, that women stood to lose
the chance to learn Vedas
. In fact women were (are)
never at a disadvantage when it comes to the
propensity to learn or know. That they are endowed
with special qualities has been underlined by
Gitacharyan Himself.

While speaking about His
vibhUthi, Krishna speaks in
single term with reference to the collective term He
takes up- but the exception is in the case of women.
When He tells about men, He makes a general
reference to Himself as being the king among men
(narANAm narAdhipam –BG -10-27). But He tells about 7
unique qualities when He positions Himself among
nArINAm (women) (verse 10-34)

He says, '
Among women, I am fame (kIrthi), prosperity
(srI), speech (vAk), memory (smrti), intelligence
(mEdhA), endurance (Dhrti) and forgiveness (kshamA)."
All the qualities required for learning karma khanda
and gyana khanda as well are to be found in these
qualities in women
. The way the Lord in an
extraordinary way tells about these qualities, goes to
prove that He is indeed pleased about these qualities
in women and about women in exhibiting these
qualities. It must be stressed here that He has not
elaborated like this in any other personification of
Himself while expressing His VibhUthi yogam.

Another unique feature that needs attention is the
positioning of this view in the same verse (and)
after telling about Himself vis-à-vis Death and Birth.
After saying "I am also Death which snatches all away.
I am the origin of all that shall be born", He
continues to tell who He is among women. Why did He
incorporate the former term in this verse, which looks
mis-placed? All along we find a methodical build-up of
references in this chapter. Why didn't He club the
death-birth reference along with say, the one on
Yama?

If we try to read His mind, a couple of reasons
appear. First
, it seems that to overcome the cycle of
birth and death, the nArINAm qualities (mentioned as
7, symbolizing 7 worlds) are essential
. Second, it is
she from whom life originates and it is she who is
also capable of destroying anything, both good and bad
depending on how she behaves
. Added to this propensity
are the 7 qualities which are the basis of overcoming
both death and birth!

(To be continued)

Thursday, August 4, 2011

Should women not chant Vedas? (part -2)

Other parts of this series can be read here: Part 1  Part 3  Part 4   Part 5


It all started with a jolt I received in a Ram temple some years ago.
It was a fore-noon when I reached this temple of Rama,
situated some 30 km from Mysore, in a village called
Kembal.
No one knows the history of this Rama because
the temple was not here some 10 years ago.
It was to the credit of some Keralite-astrologers who, through
Prasna – Jyothisha told that a Ram temple was buried in this area.
An intense search was undertaken and it was after a year,
the moolavar thirumeni (murthy) of Rama, Sita and Lakshmana
(Anjaneya was not found till today) were found buried
in an abandoned well in the fields.
A very small uthsavar vigraham of all the 4 moorthis
mounted on a single base was also unearthed.


The murthys were immediately consecrated in
the same place where they were found, as per sasthric
ways.
I had the first opportunity to get His dharshan in January 2004
and was blessed by Him to sit for the
sankalpam along with my husband for the annual
Sahasra-kalashAbhishekam in the month of Chithirai that year.


The area is very much isolated, lonely that whenever I
come to visit Him during evenings/nights, I won't
feel like leaving the temple.
How can I leave Him alone in this vayal-kaadu (fields)? (agyaanam!!)
Immediately I would think, 'No no. He is enjoying yEkAntham  (privacy) with Sita.
This is His Panchavadi.
This Panchavadi is not in vanam (forest)
 it is in vayal (field).'
"Hey Ram, enjoy your time here.
Sita had always wanted to spend her time in vana with you
in yEkAntham.
You never got a chance to fulfill her desire
after vana-vasa in Ramavathara.
Now you have got the chance.
Spend your time with no one to disturb you.
The sky looks beautifully studded with stars.
Show your Sita, Arundathi standing next to Vasishta,
who looks brighter in this dark sky and
make Sita happy by telling her how she too is
always close to you.
Enjoy your time Rama, enjoy."
Such is the dialogue I used to have with Rama of
Kembal thinking that I have a rapport with Him in
understanding what He thinks. (!!!???)


On that particular fore-noon, contrary to usual
practice, His sannidhi was closed before the
stipulated time.
The Archakar (temple priest) had to leave on some
chores it seemed.
I was disappointed wondering how this could happen.
I have always stuck to temple rules
and had been in time.
Even on occasions when I was held up due to unforeseen reasons,
I used to think that this rapport works!
I have found that He had never disappointed me
(not only in Kembal, in other temples too)
whenever I had been late, allowing me to
have dharshan at least for a second before the screen
is drawn.
Wondering whether I had committed any apacharam,
(mistake / disrespect) I remained there for some time.


Another devotee, an elderly person arrived then and we
came to know that he was a scholar in Sanskrit.
He said that he would recite entire Valmiki Ramayana in
Sanskrit if he is invited to do so in our home and he
has done recitals for umpteen times in his
life. I was too happy to have met him and wanted to
clarify some doubts.
My first query was about Sri Sookhtham.
I used to recite it every day.
This Sooktham is found in Rik Vedas.
I learnt it just by hearing it being recited at my home.
I asked him whether there is any
stipulation of time for reciting Sri Sookhtham, like
Brahma muhurtham or fore noon etc.

Flash came his reply, "Women should not recite Sri
Sookhtham, because it  is Vedam."
I felt an acute pain as though I have been whipped.
What I asked and what he says!
Hey Rama, is it so that I should not recite Sri Sookhtham?
I instantly turned to my side to look at His sannidhi.
Only the closed doors were staring at me.
No. Raman is not a saakshi (witness)
for what happened here.
He is not a saakshi for what this elderly person had said.
Raman is not part of this conversation,
nor does He approve this statement.
That is why He had the doors closed
even before I came in.
Knowing that this conversation is going to take place,
He had closed His doors.
If He had stood there as a witness for the talks,
I don't know how I would have reacted.
I would have either given up chanting of
this sthothram and others too, thinking that I do
not have His sanction. Or I would have grown sad that
I have been prohibited from reciting that beautiful
sookhtham which invites Lakshmi to our side.


But I would not have remained quiet.
Ramanai summa vittirukka maattEn.
(ராமனை சும்மா விட்டிருக்க மாட்டேன்)
I would have asked Him why He made such rules.
He had to answer me.
Poosugira manjaLum, (the saffron that women use)
thongugira charadum, (the mangalya sutra)
nettriyil edum thilakamum, (the tilak in the forehead)
make the woman herself an embodiment of Sri.
How can she then be considered unfit to invite Sri
in the form of Sookhtham?
If the woman is not entitled to say this sookhtham,
then no one else is.
And I would have also asked
Him – don't you know that such prohibition makes me
sad?
Can you, whose name itself means giving happiness
to others, make me sad?


But the closed doors of Rama provided a consolation
for me.
Yes, Rama closed His sannidhi –
only to shut Himself off from this unseemly predicament.
He doesn't subscribe to this view.
He made this understood by me
by closing His doors even before I arrived.

With this thought, I came home.
By a strange coincidence, the issue of the injunction against
chanting Vedas by women appeared on that day
 in the yahoo group in which I was an active contributor.
I sent a short mail (given in the1st post of this series) and
received all probable reasons for that injunction
from many learned persons.

But all through, there was a nagging thought in my mind.
How this injunction came to gain currency even in
the absence of any textual pramana?
Another thought that was slowly sinking in my mind was
whether Rama refused to stand as saakshi
only with reference to Sri Sookhtham or
with reference to Vedas in general.
How should I interpret it?
Did I do enough analysis of the whole issue?
Or am I reacting in this way because I am a woman?
Did I do the analysis dispassionately and
unemotionally?

I began looking for clues and
I found something in the Ramanuja bhashyam
to the very first verse of Brahma sutras.
That will be discussed in the next post.

(Continued)

Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Indian culture more than 11,000 years old – say Indian scientists.



From
The India we have never known
August 01, 2011   11:21:59 PM

Recently-developed software have proved the dates of important events as mentioned in our ancient scriptures to be true. Researches have also brushed aside the prevalent Aryan invasion theory. Rahul Devrani reports

Perhaps it’s time our history books got a revision. Indian scientists have now gathered enough evidence to brush aside the “Indo-Aryan invasion” ideology, claiming that we have been “brainwashed for more than 150 years” by the Western theories on our civilisation. Fact is there was no Aryan invasion or migration, it is only a misnomer.

Research carried out by the Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas (I-SERVE) has elaborately shown results, with ocular proof, and revealed interesting facts. Several sites excavated in the past 30 years have yielded evidence of an established culture dating much before than we believed, to almost 8,000 years ago. Historians and scientists from numerous fields like astronomy, archaeology and anthropology gathered for a seminar here over the weekend to confirm our rich past.

There have already been findings of terracotta excavations of Shivlinga at Kalibangan dated 2600 BC indicating that people did pray in the same manner as us thousands of years ago. Besides, terracotta figures with the namaste gesture and using vermillion too have been excavated dating back to 2600 BC. Copper rings and beads that point towards an emergence of metal technology and grains of domesticated rice have also been found dating back to the 7th millennium BC.

Kulbhushan Mishra, research associate, Indian Archeological Society, says that there is enough evidence indicating an indigenous origin of Indian civilisation that has made the foreign theories take a back seat. “With advancement in technology, the perception of Indian archeology has changed significantly. We have an incredibly large volume of new data to prove our indigenous origins. We have found items like an agricultural plough, cart and combs that are thousands of years old. The material testimonies of various excavations have shown gradual cultural developments from the 7th-6th millennium BC in the entire region of Indus-Saraswati-Ganga system for a period of almost 8,000 years.”

Similarly, astronomical research has held the earlier propositions by many scientists that various events mentioned in our ancient scriptures actually did take place and are flawlessly true. “Several software have been developed recently that can provide us the sky view at a point of time in past or future. For example, Planetarium Gold is one such software. When we set dates of various events as mentioned in scriptures, we got exactly the same view of planets/stars as mentioned in the Ramayana and Mahabharata,” explains Pushkar Bhatnagar, an astronomy researcher.

Making use of the technological advancements by others in the past, scientists have come up with results that prove various events mentioned in the vast storehouse of ancient Sanskrit literature in India to be consistent.

Since time immemorial, we’ve all been celebrating Diwali and Janmashtami among other festivals that find their origins in the ancient scriptures. It is indeed a matter of pride to know how reliable our scriptures are. However, these researches also go on to show the brilliance of the writers like Valmiki who wrote thousands of years ago, yet mentioned the sky view, which tallied with planetary positions of the same time period.

Besides, research on sea level fluctuations has also revealed that many ancient towns are lying submerged under the sea.

Another interesting fact that not many people are aware of is that the Indians are part of the same gene pool as of the earliest of anatomically modern humans who expanded out of Africa. “There is a lot of sharing and continuity between the people of India. And this goes back to the ancient times. Africa is the place of transformation. The ancient homosapeans were replaced by modern humans roughly 1,80,000 YBP. Large amount of empirical data from India generated through DNA sampling has shown that India too was part of this expansion,” says professor VR Rao, one of the senior researchers engaged with I-SERVE.

This also means that the highly misunderstood Jarawas, indigenous adivasis of Andaman, which means “hostile people”, are in fact the direct descendents of human expansion and we share this ancient substratum.

Data collected through the study of jaws of human remains in the Holocene period shows that the genetic profile of all the Indians does not match the Europeans. “Language is transient so we cannot categorise it in the genetic profile of those people. But what studies have shown till now is that Indians have received limited gene flow from external regions. The only change one can see is in terms of hierarchy. This can be attributed to the arrival of Central Asian pastoralists. But they have got nothing to do with the Indian genetics,” adds Rao.

Besides, there has also been evidence that developments in language and eating cooked food started in India more than 11,000 years ago.

“Not only are the various events consistent and fall in a sequence but various ecological references and varieties of cultivated plants, trees and herbs mentioned in Vedas and epics have existed in India for more than 10, 000 years,” says Saroj Bala, Director, I-SERVE Delhi Chapter, adding, “These results support that we have one of the oldest cultural heritage.”

Monday, August 1, 2011

Should women not chant Vedas? (part-1)

Other parts of this series can be read here:- Part 2  Part 3  Part 4   Part 5
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There is a consensus that women should not recite the vedas. This disturbed me a lot until I got a convincing reply some years ago through my search. I wrote that finding in a Yahoo group in a short series. I am reproducing them here. There are quite a few issues like this that I have already analyzed and written in Groups. But what induced me to take out this series from my folder is a compilation that I read in a Group. It was a compilation of slokas from Pramana texts that say that women did chant / recite Vedas in olden days. It gave me a peculiar sense of relief as I once struggled to prove that Women are not barred from chanting Vedas. I started that argument with a poser as follows:-

“There is a consensus that women should not recite the
vedas.

Fine!

Why should they
- when it was a woman who gifted the world with
‘vedamanaitthukkum vitthu’ (Meaning “the seed of all Vedas” – a description given for Thirppaavai sung by a woman, Andal)

- when it was the same woman who merged with Lord
Ranganatha for all others to see (Andal)














- when it was a woman (a muslim one at that) who
merged with Lord Thirunarayanan at Melkote right in front of
Ramanujacharya.
Thulukka Naachiyar engraved at the feet of the Lord.

- and it is as woman in Nayaki bhava that seekers of
Lord’s feet get closer to Him.

- Hence the question is not whether women could recite
the Vedas or not.

- It is – ‘Should they need to learn Vedas at all, as
men do?’”

Many responses followed explaining why women need not chant the Vedas and why such an injunction came into force. However I got a reply for it in my own way and wrote my experience on how I got the reply. I will write them in the subsequent posts here.
In this post let me place on record the many references from Sruti texts that do say that women chanted Vedas. The compilation was done by Mr Shivashankara Rao and with his permission I am reproducing them here. My sincere thanks to him for granting the permission.

A FEW AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF WOMEN CHANTING VEDAS:-


1.      The "Brahma" in a yajna is the best trained
purohit who can correct the others involved in the yajna. BRAHMAA VAA
RITVIJAABHMISHAKTAMAHA – Shatapatha brahmana 1.7.4.19.

"Thasyaadyo
brahmanishtaha syaath tham brahmaanam kurveeth".

"Atha kena brahmtvam
kreeyathe iti trayyaa vidyayethi, trayya vidyayeti ha brooyaath"
(Aithareya 5.33).

2.       A woman can be a brahma as mentioned in Rigveda (8.33.-19).
 “…sthree hi brahmaa vibhoovidhaha" .

3.      "AachaaryadaNatvam"…Ashtaadhyaayi 4.3.2.49.

"ACHHARYASYA STREE AACHAARYAANEE PUM YOGA ITHYEVA AACHAARYA SVAYAM VYAAKHYAATREE"-Siddhaanta koumudi.

( the woman who conducts the veda pravachana is called an Achaarya) .


4.      Aachaarya lakshana :- "UPANEEYA TUM YAHA SHISHYA
VEDAMADHYAAPAYED DWIJAHA, SAKALPA SARAHASYAM CHA THAMAACHAARYA
PRACHAKSHATHE".

( The one who can conduct the upanayana samskaara and teaches the Vedas is called the Aachaarya).

Siddhaanta Koumudi edited by Mahamahopaadhyaaya pandit Shivadatta sarma says,

5.      "ITI VACHANENAAPI STREENAM VEDAADHYANAADIKAARO    DHVANITHAHA".

   (THIS MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WOMEN HAS VEDAADHIKAARA) .

6.      Rigveda 10.159-2.3"THADVIDAHA….UTAAHAMASMI SAM JAYAA…UTTAMAM".

(May I get a good husband…..Because of Vedas, I will become tejasvi and a
powerful spokes person…
May my daughter shine well because of her good
character) .


7.      Taandya brahmana (5-6-8) advises that women have to chant
saamaved along with veena when a yajna is being conducted.



8.      The Mantra 5.5.29 ordains that the women have to circumambulate the yajna kunda
chanting the veda mantras. .


9.      .The kumari Gandharva grahathaa story in
Eithareya proves that the women had all rights for Vedas. .


10.  Laatyayana
shrouthasootra, Shaankaayana shroutha sootra etc., also confirms the
rights of women for Vedas.

There are several other authorities advising
women to chant veda mantras. .



11.  Yajurveda23-23, 25-27, 29;


12.  Shatapatha brahmana 1-9-2-2-1, 1.9.2.22.23;


13.  Taittareeya samhitha 1.1.10,


14.  Aaswalaayana grihya sootra 1.1.9,


15.  Kaataka grihyasootra 3.1.30, 27-3,


16.  Paaraskara grihyasootra 1.5.1,2. ,


17.  Yajurveda 36-24
"tacchakshurdeva sahitam…" is to chanted only by a woman.


18.  Rigveda  10-85.48 has to be chanted by husband and wife together.


19.  Some Names of women who chanted Vedas:-  Ghoshaa, godaa, vishvavaraa, apaalaa, adithi, jahu, indraani, vedavathi, Oorvashi, shachee, shrithaavathi, Siddhaa,
Shreemathi, Shivaa, Sulabhaa, Svadhaa, Vapunaa, Dhaarini, Romashaa,
Lopaamudraa, Yamee, Shaashvathee, Idaa, Gaargi, Maithreyi.......

20.  Some more Authorities for women chanting veda mantras:- Examples of women
mantradrashtaaras
: Ghoshaa, godhaa, vishvavaraa, Apaalaa, Upanishad,
Jahu, Indraani, saramaa, Romashaa, Oorvashi, Lopaamudraa, Yamee,
Shaashvathee, Sooryaasavithree,....etc.,



21.  Rigveda 10-134, 10-39,
10-40, 8-91, 10-95, 10-109, 10-154, 10-159, 10-189, 5-28, 8-91 ..etc.,
are from women.


22.  Taittareeya brahmana 2-3-10.."..


23.  Tam trayee vedaa anya
srijantha....vedan pradadow"

(Three vedas were given to the woman
Seetaa-savitri through Soma).


24.  Manu's daughter Idaa is described in
Taittareeya Brahmana( 1-1-4) as Yajnaprakaashinee meaning Yajna tatva
prakaashana samarthaa.
(This can be continued...)


25.  To cite examples of mention in Mahaakavyas:-
Mahabharata:-
Udyogaparva 190-18:
"Atra siddhaa shivaa naama braahmNee veda paaragaahaa.."
(A brahmin lady by name Shivaa was a scholar of vedas and she got
Moksha
).


26.  A non brahmin lady Droupadi was a scholar of vedas.
Achaarya

27.  Madhva in his Mahabharata tatparya nirnaya says, "Vedaaschapyuttama
streebhihi krishnaattaabhirihaakhilaaha.
( Good women should learn Vedas like Droupadi).


28.  Valmiki Ramayana:-
Sundarakaanda53-26:

Vaidehi shokasantaptaa hutaashanmupaagatam.
( The sad Seeta did homa to Agni)


29.  VR 5-15-48:- "Sandhyaakaale .....Sandhyaartham varavarninee".
(Seetha would certainly come to the river to perform sandhya with pure water).


30.  Valmikiramayana 4-16-12, 2-20-15 indicate that Kousalya and Kaikeyi also
were doing agnihotra etc.,


31.  Vaali's wife tara chanted
swastimantras.


32.  Puranas :-
Vishnupurana (1-10) and (18-19);
Markandeyapurana (52); Brahma vaivarta purana (14-65) etc., may be seen.

(To be continued)