Thursday, August 29, 2013

Signs of Muslim youth joining Indian mainstream – its time Muslims know their historical and genetic past.

One of the biggest blunders done in Independent India was to have played vote-bank politics on Muslims and segregated them from the mainstream India. Studies in Genetics affirm the historical fact that Indian Muslims are originally sons of the soil who have been converted into Islam by invaders. Almost all the Muslims throughout India retained the painful memory of conversion under duress that happened a few generations before them. Census records of the British period shows that they were still doing pitru ceremonies and some form of worship of the Hindu way. This memory was completely wiped out in the first generation of 1900s when Muslim League gained prominence.

This wipe-out was sustained by the Congress party after Independence. Today things have come to such a pass that Muslims of whom a considerable numbers were once Brahmins who converted out of fear for life, think of themselves as a separate entities in their own ancestral land and expect themselves to be treated as separate and special entities and what more, allow themselves to be used by corrupt politicians who grow their dynasties on the ignorance of Muslims of their past. 

In this background, young Muslims wishing join the mainstream is a positive sign. The article by Mr Arvind Lavakare details how these Muslim youth rallying behind the Muslim wing of the RSS no longer see through the prism of congress vote bank. His inference was that this would help Modi to win Muslim votes.  

In this context I think it would be appropriate to quote some genetic studies and a note from Sangam literature on a currently Muslim dominated town of Tamil nadu, namely Ambur!

Brief note from genetic studies on Indian Muslims:-

The inference of genetic study is that almost all Muslims of India were native to India and the conversion was cultural and not genetic, meaning to say that the so-called outsider Moghal or Persian genes are not there in our Muslims. The Muslim Youth must note this study to know who they are. 

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Arab forces conquered the Indus Delta region in 711 A.D. and, although a Muslim state was established there, their influence was barely felt in the rest of South Asia at that time. By the end of the tenth century, Central Asian Muslims moved into India from the northwest and expanded throughout the subcontinent. Muslim communities are now the largest minority religion in India, comprising more than 138 million people in a predominantly Hindu population of over one billion. It is unclear whether the Muslim expansion in India was a purely cultural phenomenon or had a genetic impact on the local population. To address this question from a male perspective, we typed eight microsatellite loci and 16 binary markers from the Y chromosome in 246 Muslims from Andhra Pradesh, and compared them to published data on 4,204 males from China, Central Asia, other parts of India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Iran, the Middle East, Turkey, Egypt and Morocco. We find that the Muslim populations in general are genetically closer to their non-Muslim geographical neighbors than to other Muslims in India, and that there is a highly significant correlation between genetics and geography (but not religion). Our findings indicate that, despite the documented practice of marriage between Muslim men and Hindu women, Islamization in India did not involve large-scale replacement of Hindu Y chromosomes. The Muslim expansion in India was predominantly a cultural change and was not accompanied by significant gene flow, as seen in other places, such as China and Central Asia.

(another quote from the same study on Muslims of South India including Tamilnadu)

At least at the Y-chromosomal level, the origin of Muslim isolates in south India is predominantly from local populations rather than from other Muslims of other parts of India, or outside the country. Some Indian Muslim families can trace their ancestry back to sources outside India >1,000 years ago, and our findings do not conflict with this fact, but do show that the largest minority religious group in India arose in the main from a cultural change among Hindus who started to follow and spread the precepts of Islam. The Y-chromosomal variation among Indian populations reflects geographical and prehistorical factors rather than the practices of Hinduism or Islam.

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Quote from the genetics of Pakistani Muslims.

This is given here to show that even Pakistanis come from mainstream Indian / Bharatheeya population. Only exception is the Parsis. The Kalash people which the wiki article connect with Indo-Iranian roots on the pretext that Iran was the home of Vedic people (!) can be traced to Sthree rajya which is near Moscow (read my article here) based on the cultural practices of the people of Kalash like, marriage by eloping etc. They too are different from Indians genetically. It must be remembered that Sthree rajya was in existence even in Mahabharata times. 

The Baloch and Brauhi populations may have closer affinity genetically with Tamils of Chola nadu – particularly in Pumpukar, Tanjore, Kumbakonam etc. The Cholistan and Sarukkai of Pakistan are there in Tamilnadu too. The migration happened 8000 years ago when Cholavarman in the lineage of Sibi who was located at today's Pakistan shifted to Pumpukar to set up his kingdom. Sibi had earlier genetic connection with Muchukunda of Ikshwaku dynasty from Gangetic plain. All these people have moved around India which included Pakistan and Afghanistan. More in my future posts. 

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The human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system, present on chromosome 6 is one of the most extensively studied regions of the human genome. The most striking feature of the HLA system is the extreme polymorphism found at some of its loci. This characteristic of the HLA system has made it an invaluable tool for population genetics analyses. Different populations exhibit characteristic allele and haplotype frequencies, which provide information about their history, migration patterns, evolution, genetics, disease susceptibility and resistance. In this study the genetic polymorphism of seven Pakistani ethnic groups was investigated at the HLA-A, -B, -C, -DRB and DQB1 loci using polymerase chain reaction with sequence specific primers (PCR-SSP). The groups included in this study are the Baloch, Brahui, Sindhi and Parsi from the south and the Burusho, Kalash and Pathan from the north of Pakistan. The allele frequencies, three-locus haplotype frequencies for HLA-A, -C, -B and HLA-A, -B, -DRBl and two locus haplotype frequencies for HLA-A, -B, HLA-B, -C, HLA-B, -DRBl and HLA-DRBl, -DQBl along with linkage disequilibrium, relative linkage disequilibrium and their significance (p-value as determined by -l-test) were calculated. Neighbor joining trees based on allele frequencies were constructed and correspondence analysis was carried out. Variation in the allele and haplotype distribution between the seven Pakistani ethnic groups was observed. A phylogenetic tree and correspondence analysis based on HLA- A, -B, -C, -DRBl and -DQBl allele frequencies revealed the Kalash and Parsi populations to be distinct from each other and the remaining Pakistani populations.

 The Baloch and Brahui were closely related to one another. The Sindhi were closer to the Pathan and Burusho populations than to the neighboring Baloch and Brahui populations indicating admixture between the northern and southern populations of Pakistan. The three- and two- locus haplotypes reveal a large amount of admixture in the Pakistani populations. The haplotypes found in the Pakistani populations suggest an influence of Caucasian and Oriental populations. A phylogenetic tree and correspondence analysis comparing the Pakistani populations to various other world populations (HLA- A, -B and -C allele frequency data from the 11th and 12th International Histocompatibility Workshops) showed that the Pakistani ethnic groups, with the exception of the Parsi, lie within the cluster of the European and Asian Indian populations. The Parsi populations show a striking affinity to the Iraqi Jews, which is in accordance with historical records placing the origin of the Parsi in ancient Persia. These results not only help in studying the origins of the various Pakistani populations but also provide a background for a variety of applications including tissue typing and HLA and disease association studies in Pakistan.

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Now some info from a Sangam literature called Siru PaaNaaRRup padai  (சிறு பாணாற்றுப் படை) It is about a VeL king called Nalliyak kOdan (நல்லியக் கோடன்) who came in Ovi vamsam. Ovis are artists (oviyar ஓவியர்) who also made  carvings or inscriptions on metal. The writer of the Thiruvalangadu copper plates had written his name at the end of that inscription and mentioned that he belonged to Ovi Kulam. 

NalliyakkOdan's country is described in this sangam text. It starts somewhere in the eastern sea shore of Bay of Bengal passes through Vellore. The name cause of Vellore is explained in this text. Nalliyak kodan was a Muruga devotee. Once he prayed to Lord Muruga for victory in a war and used the flowers that grew in a well of the shape of the leaf like tip of the spear (vEl  வேல்), to decorate his spear. Using this spear he fought the war and won. From then onwards, this place came to be called as VElur   ( வேலூர் ).' The so-called leaf like tip of the spear is nothing but peepal leaf. It must be recalled here that such leaf- like wells were there in Mohenjadaro


Nalliyak kodan comes in the lineage of Vels who migrated from Dwaraka to Tamilnadu about 3500 yrs ago when the then Dwaraka (Byt Dwaraka) was submerged. Nalliyakkodan's ancestors settled in Krishnagiri – Ambur – Vellore stretch while Adhyaman lineage settled in Dharmapuri.

The sangam text further describes that after Vellore, the next main township is Amoor! This must be Ambur of today. The text says that Amoor was populated  by Vedic Brahmins who were engaged in Vedic rituals. This town was a Marudha nilam – meaning, a plain conducive for agriculture. There were many water tanks in this region. The text describes the scenes in the tanks and the agricultural activities there.

From there one can reach the capital city of Nalliyakkodan which was located on a hill and filled with elephants. The name given is "Kidangil" – a name that is found among keralites today. It is not a surprise because the Vels and others who left Dwaraka 3500 yrs ago spread to Kerala, Palani, nagarkoil, kanyakumari, Mysore, Hosur, and further towards Dharmapuri stretch where Nalliyakodan was located. Another group called as Aruvalas, who were stone cutters settled in Kancheepuram (read my article here). They were overpowered by Karikal cholan about 2000 yrs ago. Another sangam text speaks of this which I will detail in another article.  Many commonalities can be found among all these migrants from Dwaraka.

In my opinion Kidangil must have been Yelagiri hills.

Coming to Amoor which was populated by Brahmins about 2000 years ago, its present position as a Muslim populated town – makes me think that they all have been converted to Islam under threat to life. Genetic studies on Tamilnadu populations in general had shown that they all shared the same genes with their present Hindu neighbours. There is no news of  a separate genetic study on Ambur Muslims, but its location near Vellore in the name of Amoor about 2000 years ago shows that they were descendants of Sangam age Amoor people. I will write a separate article with relevant passages from the sangam text at later date. 

I am bringing this here to show that it is time Indian Muslims and Tamilnadu Muslims in particular must know or search for their roots of who they are. The result of such a search would invariably point out them as sons of the soil and the torch bearers of Hinduism in the past. Whatever path they decide to choose is left to them, but that they are part of this ancient culture of India must be borne in their mind. That would help them merge with the Indian mainstream and denounce corrupt politicians who are keen on keeping them in the dark and brain washing them contrary to the historical and genetic  reality.

- Jayasree





August 26, 2013

THE BJP Election Campaign Committee's latest decision to target 272+ with the help of Muslim votes in the 2014 polls is not the illusory phantasm it may seem to the layman... For, behind that dream is a reality that's been long hidden from the public at large. Behind that dream is the RSS' Muslim wing, Muslim Rashtriya Manch (MRM) which has been engaging Muslims for more than the past 10 years. It is the only Muslim organisation related to the RSS.with which he has been associated since 1959.

The MRM was the brainchild of Indresh Kumar, an engineering graduate from the Punjab University who, instead of taking up a job, decided to serve the nation through the RSS. As reported in the 25th December 2011 edition of IBTL digital news portal, MRM's Coordinator, Mohammad Afzal, said that MRM is active in Uttar Pradesh and other parts of India and Muslim youth is joining it in large numbers. He said that Muslim elders have had prejudices against RSS and it's not easy to convince them but the youth understands the need to be together else external powers will dominate India. Afzal said, "We're reaching out to Muslim youth. New generation understands today's reality and we've been successful in making them understand that Congress and other so-called secular parties have betrayed the Muslim community for all these years and that BJP and RSS do not pose any threat to them."

Some two years ago, MRM was known to have over 200 districts spanning over 27 States of India having thousands of Muslims associated with it. The MRM is an organisation of nationalist Muslims with a motive to bring them in the national mainstream.

In late 2011, MRM had organised a big gathering at Jantar Mantar in which over 10,000 Muslims had gathered. It was an event which was blacked out by the mainstream media. Afzal admitted to IBTL that he has had to answer questions posed by the Muslim youth on the allegations against Narendra Modi for the Godhra riots and against Indresh Kumar for the Mecca Masjid and Samjhauta Express terror attacks. He said that there has been a false malafide propaganda against RSS. Indresh, he said, was extremely popular among Muslims but an attempt was made to frame him. Afzal revealed that they've been in touch with Devbandi and Barelwi Maulanas and they expect Muslims to vote for the BJP in large numbers this time.

In fact, the above cited IBTL article reported that the RSS ran several programmes in the Muslim majority areas of Western Uttar Pradesh in November 2011.The organization is reportedly in touch with several marlines and other influential Muslims in the region. If all this seems surreal, what is really unbelievable is that the RMM is said to have recently submitted a petition to the President of India advocating the abrogation of Article 370 of the Indian Constitution bearing some eight lakh signatures --- all of Muslims! Here, truly, is where some RTI activist must jump in to ascertain the truth.

Apart from the potential of the RMM to take the BJP to its magical target, there's the evidence of what the BJP must have perceived to have done for the Muslim community in Gujarat and the warm reciprocity of that community. The 2010 civic elections in Gujarat showed this clearly. Out of 247 Muslim candidates fielded by BJP, 118 were victorious. And 31 of them in municipalities while the rest in zilla panchayat and taluka (tehsil or sub-divisional) panchayats. It was for the first time that BJP fielded Muslim candidates in the state and achieved a grand success by causing a major breach in the Congress fortress as Muslims were so far considered as a natural ally to the Congress in the state with two party systems.

Earlier, Muslims did not vote for BJP because of the latter's ideological position on various issues including Barbie Masjid and its pro-Hindutva stance on everything. But the Muslims supporting BJP in the October 2010 zilla panchayat and municipal elections threw all theories about them to the wind. As an example, the Congress could not win even a single seat in Muslim pockets of Virago in Gandhi agar district while three Muslim BJP candidates won the polls. BJP also bagged two seats from Godhra's Muslim pocket. Moiz Badeliwala and Sayeed Khan Pathan-two Muslim BJP workers-contesting as independents won from hundred per cent Muslim ward of Western Godhra.

Another evidence is that in the Gujarat State Assembly elections of 2012, the Modi-led BJP won between 25 per cent to 14 per cent of the votes, highlighted by the fact that it won 12 of the 19 constituencies where the Muslims were the predominant community. How and why those mini-miracles occurred over two years is a different subject. The truth is that they did happen. And can happen again in 2014. Yes, it can with the BJP's newly found energy and will.


guru.raghavan said...

I should admit that I read a very interesting post with deeper research potentialities. While going through the post, some thoughts occurred to me. Let us take the case of Amoor (now Ambur). It is reported that Vedic Brahmins populated this Amoor in Sangam age and they were engaged in Vedic rituals. It is assumed that they were all converted under threat to their lives.

To prove this assumption, one may think of this option.

1.Analyse the authentic birth details and the horoscopes of the present converted occupants who are known to live in Ambur for generations.

2.Surely the placement of planets in their horoscopes would reveal that they have not taken care of their family deity

3.If it were so, they may have been suffering from pre-destined curses.

4.One can draw such a list to confirm this.

5.This can be corroborated with Naadi readings. In my view, Naadi readings are very good for deciphering the past.

6.I also believe some of the converted population of Amoor may be practising their family rituals still.

I believe this approach may further consolidate our assumptions.

Of course, I should admit, the thought for this process was taken by me from your one of your earlier posts on former AP Chief Minister YSR’s death and his horoscope reading on angering his ancestral family goddess.

Thanks for this opportunity to interact

With best regards

Dr Guru.Raghavan

PS: I am aware this will be a gigantic effort. A group of likeminded researchers can get into this.

jayasree said...

Thanks for sharing your views Dr Guru Raghavan.

I think a genetic anslysis of the present Muslims of Ambur and non-Muslims of Ambur and surrounding regions would through light on whether the transference was only cultural and not genetic. The conversion could have happened in the 15 -16th century. The status of the people before that must be ascertained. There are some inscriptions on Nulamban found near Vellore. I will get the details from the publications of archeological dept