The date of Ramayana is still elusive and vexatious with different claims. Though I have not zeroed in on any date for Ramayana, I am able to see a limit before which Ramayana could not have happened. The obvious obstacles in dating Ramayana are (1) lack of hints to arrive at the ayanamsa (precession rate, whether forward or backward) at that time and (2) the absence of the year name of Rama's birth. Though I intend to get deeper into them after my book on Mahabharata date is published shortly, for now I am bringing to the notice of readers three reasons on why Ramayana could not have happened before the 6th millennium BCE. The 3rd reason happens to be a direct challenger to Nilesh Oak's date of Ramayana.
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Updated on 9th October 2019
My reply to one Mr Sam Didymus in the comment section under the video is reproduced here:
Sam Didymus said, Sam //@26:00 What utter ignorance packaged with attitude! This "researcher" is clueless about astronomy and is talking RUBBISH regarding Canopus/Agastya and Great Bear/Saptarishi. In 5200 BCE, there was NO pole-star in the northern hemisphere. // Me: So this is your ‘astronomy’ knowledge or the knowledge you gained by reading Nilesh Oak’s books. Always there is a Dhruva – the fixed point (NCP) in sky around which the entire sky seems to revolve around. Whether there is a star present in that region or not, our ancestors had looked at that region for all the millennia atleast at the time of marriage before identifying Arundhati. The very fact that they used star markers to locate the Dhruva goes to show that there were times the Dhruva was a point and not occupied by a star. Sam //The only stars at the pole were of very LOW MAGNITUDE AND NOT VISIBLE TO NAKED EYE. Where is the question of Saptarishi going around Dhruva WHEN THERE WAS NO DHRUVA? // Me: Another ‘fantastic gem’ from you! So only if Dhruva is there, the Saptarishis will be going around it? Sam // In fact, the NEAREST visible star to north pole was MARICHI in 5200 BCE, 13 degrees away from pole, part of Sapta rishi. It would have been MORE accurate to say THE REST OF THE SAPTA RISHI GO AROUND MARICHI. But the texts do not say that, do they, Madam Researcher? // Me: What an understanding!! Even Marici at 13 degrees away was going around the central Dhruva. Let me come to your date itself - but the date that you ascribe to Mahabharata. Your date of Mahabharata is 5561 BCE which is closer to 5200 BCE of Ramayana in our reckoning, right? There is some 300 years gap between these two dates and you would agree that not much had changed in the sky between these two dates. Now tell me, how did Vyasa make a statement that the Dhruva made apasavyam movement? “dhruvaḥ prajvalito ghoram apasavyaṃ pravartate” (Mahabharata: 6-3 -16). The year according to you was 5561 BCE when there was no visible star near the North Pole. And you only say that there was no visible star at Dhruva just 300 years after this date. But Vyasa had seen a Dhruva nakshatra and even said that it made reverse movement, how was that possible if there was no pole star at or close to Dhruva (NCP) at that date? And what star was treated by him as Dhruva nakshatra? In Oak’s date of Mahabharata war there was no visible pole star upto 6 to 7 degrees close to the NCP. Only two stars were closest to the NCP. One was Asellus Primus (Theta Bootis) at a declination of +82˚04ʹ38.6ʺ and another, Edasich (Iota Draconis) at +83˚16ʹ12.2ʺ. Which of the two was treated as the pole star by Vyasa when he said that the pole star made apasavyam movement? Compared to Oak’s date, come to our traditional date of Mahabharata which was 3136 BCE (read my recent book critiquing Oak’s Epoch). At that time Thuban was close to the NCP within just 2 degrees. So Vyasa’s verse on Dhruva nakshatra is suitable for 3136 BCE and not 5661 BCE of Oak. If you stick to Oak’s date of MB war, show me the pole star referred to by Vyasa. The horrible fact is that Nilesh Nilkanth Oak remained oblivious of this verse. So now I have two astras- one each for Ramayana and Mahabharata. For Ramayana, I stated in the video, for Mahabharata I am asking you/ Oak which star was identified by Vyasa as pole star that made reverse movement in Oak’s date of Mahabharata?
Update on 13th October 2019
5 comments:
Hello Dr. Jayasree, Ramayana war is already fixed at 1299 BCE, Rama being born in 1331 BCE. Download links of my book are available at Ramayana.com, there is an entire chapter on Ramayana. The main reason that we were unable to find its date earlier was because all have been trying to match the Ramayana's planetary positions on the Greek-origin 12-Sign Zodiac whereas the right astrological tool to be used is the Vedic-origin Sarvatobhadra Chakra. Please see my book, it's free and all explained in detail. Thanks
@ Sunil Sheoran,
First tell me the ayanamsha you used for the date of Ramayana. If you have not proved the ayanamsha of Rama's times and done the research without that, I am not interested in your work as I know your date is not reliable.
Well, I am not ASKING you for your approval, I am merely INFORMING you that this dating work is already done. The dates of Ramayana War (1299 BCE) and Mahabharata War (827 BCE) are fixed for once and all. There are 4 chapters in my book, 1 dedicated to Mahabharata and 1 to Ramayana. Please read the book, I can't debate here, certainly not without you reading the book. As for the Ayanamsha part you ask, I have detailed it page 81 onwards. Book is free to download, links are available at my site Ramayana.com, both English and Hindi. Best wishes.
@Sunil Sheoran,
How could I accept 827 BCE as Mahabharata war date, when we have a well established time keeping of Kali Yuga since 5120 before present?
Madam, there was absolutely no 'Kaliyuga time-keeping' before Vriddha Garga (253 CE/AD) of Ujjain, who marked the start of Kaliyuga in 2448 BCE, or Aryabhatta (498 CE) of Patliputra, who marked the start of Kaliyuga in 3102 BCE. The Kaliyuga date of Aryabhatta became more popular later on and overtook that of Vriddha Garga but nonetheless it is a mere conjecture of Aryabhatta which is being blindly followed by one and all just like all sheep follow the herd. My date of Mahabharata doesn't use any interpretation of Yugas at all but is derived from locating the pair of double-eclipses mentioned in the text. Once we have that, we check all given planetary positions on sarvatobhadra Chakra, not at all using the Greek-origin 12-sign Zodiac and we have a perfect match. From that point, we get to the starting point of Yugas and then to the time of Rama's birth. Again matching Ramayana's planetary positions on the dating thus found, we find a 100% match. You can start by reading the entire Indian chronology here (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-Ancient-India/answers/49886518), followed by my free book.
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