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Tuesday, August 18, 2026

Lord Muruga: God, Ancestor or a Man who became a God? (My talk in Tamil)

Who was Murugan? Was he merely a deity of the Tamil hills? Was he the pan-Indian Skanda, Kārttikeya and Subrahmaṇya? Or, as some modern Tamil narratives claim, was he an ancient ancestor—a Muppāṭṭan?

In my recent discussion on Murugan to SwadeshiTamil Channel, I examined these questions by bringing together Tamil literary traditions, Sanskrit sources, Vedic references, geographical evidence, climatic records and even some intriguing genetic findings.

My conclusion is different from both the conventional extremes. Murugan is indeed a God—but he was born as a man and was elevated to divine status. He is not our ancestor or Muppāṭṭan. Yet he occupies a unique place in our tradition as the forerunner of those who perform Vedic Homa.

Murugan's birth in Then Madurai

An important source that is often overlooked in discussions about Murugan's origin is the Tiruvilaiyādal Purāṇam. It gives an account of Murugan's birth that is very different from the familiar Puranic narrative of his birth from Shiva's divine fire.

According to this Tamil tradition, Murugan was born as Ugra Kumāra, the son of Tadātakai Pirāṭṭi and Somasundara in Then Madurai — Southern Madurai.

The place is described as Kanni Desam. I specifically distinguish this from the modern concept of Kumari Kandam. The two should not simply be equated.

The question then naturally arises: Where was this Southern Madurai?

This is where geography becomes important. I have examined bathymetric studies of the region and identified what I consider to be the probable location of the ancient Southern Madurai. This is not merely a matter of taking the traditional name and placing it somewhere on a modern map. The geographical evidence has to be examined alongside the literary descriptions.

A land that disappeared

The Tamil literary tradition preserves memories of Southern Madurai being lost beneath the sea.

The accounts associated with Nakkīrar, Ilam Pūraṇar and Adiyārkkunallār speak of the submergence or loss of the ancient southern land. I therefore do not treat the disappearance of Southern Madurai as merely a poetic invention.

There are also indications of floods before and during the period associated with Murugan, together with references that can be interpreted in the context of volcanic activity.

When these literary traditions are examined alongside climatic and geological records, an intriguing chronology emerges.

My assessment is that Murugan belongs to a period before the Holocene, roughly around 12,000 years ago. This places the Murugan tradition in a very different chronological framework from the one usually assumed.

Murugan, Kārttikeya and the re-design of the zodiac

One of the most interesting aspects of Murugan's identity emerges when we look at his astronomical associations.

The name Kārttikeya, is connected with an important astronomical change attributed to Murugan: the re-designing of the zodiac of lunar mansions.

The Mahābhārata preserves an account in which sage Mārkaṇḍeya narrates matters concerning the nakṣatras to the Pāṇḍavas. In this narration we encounter the significance of the change from the earlier arrangement.

As per this, the star Abhijit was dropped from the nakṣatra scheme and Kṛttikā was included so that the zodiac could remain as a system of 27 nakṣatras.

This provides a possible astronomical dimension to the name Kārttikeya itself, connecting Murugan with Kṛttikā.

How did Murugan become Viśākha?

The astronomical story does not end with Kṛttikā.

I also examine the association of Murugan with Viśākha.

The significance becomes clearer when we consider the astronomical reorganisation of the nakṣatra system. In the process of re-designing the zodiac, Viśākha occupies a special position because the star-group extends across two zodiacal signs in the autumnal equinoctial position. 

Vivasvān, the present Sun, and Manu, who initiated the Ikṣvāku dynasty, came into being after this event. Viśākhā was subsequently adopted as the Kula Nakṣatra of the Ikṣvākus, as we learn from the Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa.

Thus Murugan's different names and associations may preserve memories of astronomical events or changes that are far older than the later popular stories attached to him.

The connection among Kārttikeya, Kṛttikā, Viśākha and the nakṣatra system therefore deserves to be studied as an astronomical tradition in its own right.

This is particularly important because Indian traditions often preserve astronomical information through the names and stories of deities rather than presenting it as a modern scientific textbook.

Was Murugan only a Tamil deity?

Another question I examine is whether Murugan was originally a purely Tamil deity who was later transformed into Skanda or Kārttikeya.

I find this too simplistic.

The ancient Tamil tradition certainly preserves a very strong and distinctive Murugan tradition. At the same time, the Sanskrit tradition knows him by several names, including Kārttikeya and Skanda, and there are Vedic references connected with Subrahmaṇya.

I also compare these with the Mahābhārata's references to Murugan and his different names, as well as the Tamil Tirumurukāṟṟuppaṭai.

These sources have to be studied together rather than placing "Tamil Murugan" on one side and "Sanskrit Skanda" on the other and assuming that they necessarily represent unrelated traditions.

The red-headed Murugan

There is another unusual feature that I discuss: Murugan's red head or reddish appearance.

This becomes particularly interesting when we consider ancient populations outside India. Genetic studies of red-haired populations in Ireland and Scandinavia have been interpreted as pointing to a mutation that arose in an individual in India roughly 10,000 years ago.

This is an intriguing piece of evidence when considered alongside the ancient traditions.

The Scythians, too, are described as red-haired in historical sources, and I point out the association of objects and practices connected with Murugan among them. These parallels deserve investigation rather than being dismissed simply because they do not fit neatly into modern geographical categories.

Was Murugan a man who became God?

This brings me to the central question.

Was Murugan a God?

My answer is yes.

But I do not believe that this necessarily means that he was born as a supernatural being in the way later mythology presents him. My interpretation is that Murugan was born as a man and was subsequently elevated to the status of a God.

In other words, the categories "man" and "God" need not be mutually exclusive in the ancient Indian understanding of history and divinity.

A human being of extraordinary stature could become divinised and worshipped as a deity. Murugan, in my interpretation, represents such a case.

But was he our Muppāṭṭan?

Here I differ from another popular Tamil claim.

Some argue that Murugan was the ancient Tamil Muppāṭṭan—our forefather or ancestor.

I do not agree.

Murugan should not be reduced to the status of an ancestral figure merely because he was born as a man.

There is, however, another reason why I regard him as having an extraordinary place in our tradition.

The first Vedic Homa

Murugan is associated with the initiation of the first Vedic Homa.

Therefore, rather than calling him our Muppāṭṭan, I would describe him as a forerunner of everyone who performs Homa.

This gives an entirely different significance to his place in the religious tradition.

He is not merely a Tamil hill deity who was subsequently absorbed into a northern Sanskritic tradition. Nor is he simply a human ancestor elevated by later generations.

He stands at a much deeper point in the history of our religious tradition.

Please watch the video and share it widely. 

Thursday, December 5, 2024

Flood at the end of a Yuga and the flood faced by Manu (Part 8 of Yuga series)

 Yuga Series in Dheivam Channel :8 (Last Part)

In this, I talk about whether there is a connection between climatic changes and the Yuga. Earlier in a movie, it was shown that people saved the essentials to escape on a ship, expecting that the world would be destroyed due to change of Time. This is how Vaivaswata Manu escaped a flood. I explained how Manu had known in advance the coming of a flood by observing the behavior of a fish.

I also explained many details about Time, the changes that occurred with Time, the first flood that brought Manu to the River Saraswati, the place where he reached after being swept away by the flood and the first rains in the Indian sub-continent. 

I concluded this series by saying that these details have no connection with Yuga. Yuga is a different genre which I explained in the previous parts of this series.

The last part can be viewed here:



Yukteshwar Giri's yuga concept differs from the Vedic concept (Part 7 of Yuga series)

 Yuga Series in Dheivam Channel: Part 7.

In this, I have talked about the 24,000-year Yuga calculation given by Yukteshwar Giri. He says that Yuga is based on the precession cycle. This concept is based on the idea that the earth's axis keeps moving backwards; it takes 24,000 years to complete one circle. This is called precession; this cycle of 24,000 years is considered to be divided into four yugas, according to Yukteshwar Giri. 

This concept is not mentioned in our scriptures. Based on the astrological texts like Surya Siddhanta, there is no precession; but the sun moves forwards and backwards. That is, the sun does not move in a straight line in the universe. It moves in a winding path like a snake. Everything in the universe moves in a spiral.

To us who travel with the sun, this curved path looks as though the sun is moving forwards and backwards.

Also, the earth's axis does not move. If it is true that it moves, then on the days of equinox (equal day and equal night), the sun will not be visible in the middle of our temple towers. I have explained such details in this part to establish that Yukteshwar Giri's version is not correct and that the Yuga concept is not based on precession.

The talk can be watched here: 



Monday, November 18, 2024

The difference between the beginning time of Kali Maha Yuga and Kali Dharma Yuga (Part 6 of Yuga series)

Yuga Series Part 6.

In this, I explain how the calculation of the beginning of Kali Maha Yuga is different from the calculation of the beginning of Kali Dharma Yuga. The source for this is Srimad Bhagavatam.

The differences are mentioned in 12th chapter of Srimad Bhagavatam. Kali Maha Yuga began when Krishna left this world. That was 3101 B.C. We are now following that as our calendric years.

Kali Dharma Yuga began when the Sapta Rishis entered Magha Nakshatra. At that time, the Nandas were ruling. That was 575 B.C. I explained the cycle of the Sapta Rishis and also why it is said that Kali Dharma began during the time of the Nandas. I also explained how its time was discovered.

Following this, a question was asked whether Sadhguru's version of Yuga cycle is true. He says that currently we are in the Dwapara Yuga. My answer can be watched in this video. 



Why Nilesh Oak's date of Ramayana is different from mine? (Part 5 of the Yuga series)

Yuga Series: Part 5.

My replies to the following questions can be seen in this video. 

# Were people very tall in Krita Yuga and short in Kali Yuga?

# It is said that man lived for 4000 years in Krita Yuga? Is this true?

# Nilesh Oak says that the Ramayana period is 12,209 BC. Is that true? 

# He too claims to have based his derivation of the date from Valmiki Ramayana. It is different from the date I have derived. How could the same source (Valmiki Ramayana) give rise to two different dates? 

My answers to these questions can be watched here 

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Saturday, November 9, 2024

Difference between Dharma and Maha yuga and how catastrophes occur in the change of Maha Yuga-s (Part 4 of Yuga series)

This is the fourth part in a series of my talks about Yuga given to Dheivam Channel. 

I have explained that the Maha Yuga, which is a part of the Kalpa called day or night of the life of the creator God Brahma, is different from the Dharma based Yuga in which Rama was born. 

The time period of creation and destruction of the entire world and also of the Universe is measured in Maha Yuga scale. But in the case of human life, the twin existence of Dharma and Adharma measure time. In other words, the Yuga Dharma determines a Yuga. Whenever the Dharma of a Yuga decreases, God incarnates. When Treta Yuga Dharma decreased, Rama incarnated. 

The existence of Yuga Dharma and avatara-s of God to protect Yuga Dharma happen only in the land of Bharat. To put it in another way, Dharma based Yuga happens only in Bharat. In contrast, the yuga of Brahma's Kalpa, which consists of millions of years, is common to the entire world.

When a Maha yuga changes, disasters occur on cosmic or global scale. 5000 years ago, before the beginning of the Kali Maha Yuga such a disaster was caused by a break-away comet hitting the earth. It caused Amavasya to advance to Trayodasi tithi. Many old-timers would have seen this as a story in the movie 'Karna'. That story was not a figment of imagination but a real event mentioned in the Mahabharata. It caused a change in Time. The unusual Amavasya on Trayodasi resulted in the loss of a tithi, with a new alignment of star-tithi which continues till date.

This loss of tithi when extrapolated to Rama's time (before that catastrophic event in the Mahabharata time) gets reflected in the mismatch of Rama's birth star Punarvasu, with Rama's birth tithi (Shukla Navami) when the Sun is in Mesha.

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Thursday, November 7, 2024

How the Treta Yuga of Rama is determined (Part 3 of the Yuga series)

In the 3rd part of the Yuga series given to Dheivam Channel, I explained how the Treta Yuga in which Rama lived is determined.

The basis is Yuga Dharma in which Dharma and Adharma co-exist in the ratio of 3:1. 

In such a Yuga, Rajasa will be high. Since the kings were over-zealous with Rajasa, Parashurama incarnated to subdue the Rajasic kshatriyas. 

Rama lived in the same period as an avatara. Avatara-s occur to protect the Yuga Dharma. Shambuka Vadha was done by Rama to restore the balance of Dharma and Adharma in Treta Yuga. Details such as this are given in this video. Please watch and share.



Saturday, November 2, 2024

Yuga in Vedanga and in Jyothisha Siddhanta (Part 2 of Yuga series)

 In the first part I explained the meaning of Yuga.

In this section (2nd part), I explained how Yuga described in Vedanga Jyothisha is different from what is described in Jyothisha Siddhanta. In Vedanga Jyothisha, 5-year yuga is given, whereas Jyothisha Siddhanta-s describe Yuga in lakhs of years in the context of Brahma Deva's age. During Rama's time, the 5-year was in vogue. In our current times, we follow the Maha Yuga system which is actually used to measure Time from Creation to Destruction. 

I also explained how these two types of yugas are calculated. I have given the details about Krita, Treta, Dvapara and Kali as numbers, by citing the use of them in the dice game in the Mahabharata. 

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Thursday, October 31, 2024

Is Deepavali a celebration of death? (My Talk in Dheivam Channel)

 In this Deepavali season I spoke in Dheivam Channel addressing some important questions.

* Who was Narakasura?

* Was he a demon or a person?

* It is said that Aditi requested Sri Krishna to kill her son, Naraka and restore her ear ornaments. Could any mother ask so? 

* Why do we burst crackers on Deepavali day?

In the course of answering these questions, I bring out my research written earlier here in two parts. 

Here and Here

Taking clue from Sathyabhama's story of bringing Parijatha plant from Indra loka and the presence of Dwaravati culture in Myanmar to the south of Mt. Popa, I decoded the story of Krishna killing Narakasura.

I have spoken about it in this video. Please watch and share.



Tuesday, October 29, 2024

Why do we burst crackers on Diwali? (My talk in Dheivam channel)

 Happy Diwali to everyone.

I have shared a video in which I talked about Diwali on Dheivam channel.

* What is Ulkaa Daana? In what way is it connected with bursting crackers?
* Why is this festival called Diwali? Why should we light lamps on that day?
* There is an inscription in Srirangam temple showing that Diwali was celebrated, what is said in it?
* What is the connection between Mahabali and Diwali?
* Diwali is the day when Krishna killed Narakasura. Can we celebrate death?
* Diwali is said to be the day when Rama returned from exile. So, is Diwali also related to Ramayana?

I have answered these questions. Please watch and share.



Sunday, October 27, 2024

What does Yuga mean? (Part 1 of Yuga series) My talk in Dheivam Channel

There is a lot of confusion about Yuga particularly in the context of Avatara-s. 

To clarify, I have given a series of interviews to Dheivam Channel replying to various doubts and questions on Yuga.

Here is the first part wherein I explain the meaning of Yuga.

You will be surprised to know that Yugas are many and sage Agastya had mentioned 18 different types of yugas including the popularly known Krita, Treta, Dvapara and Kali yuga.