In the 2nd part of my talk on Lanka, I am replying to questions such as
# Types of Yuga and Rama's birth in Treta yuga # Reference to two Agastya-s in Sugreeva's version # Presence of Agastya in two Tamil sangam-s # How to justify 100 yojana length of Ram setu # The mention of 1000s of years in different contexts in Valmiki Ramayana # Origin of Tamil-Sanskrit.My talk on Ravana's Lanka.
# critiquing the versions of Jijith Ravi, Nilesh Oak & othersThis video was recorded and uploaded a year ago but not documented by me in my blog. Hence doing it now.
In this interview I am replying questions on
* protection of Ram Setu from destruction
* age of Setu built by Rama
* the events leading to Agni pariksha of Sita probing the question whether Rama suspected Sita's fidelity.
* the circumstances leading to the exile of pregnant Sita.
* Was Rama right in abandoning her?
* How Rama became a prisoner of circumstances and Sita, a victim of circumsatnces.
On 20th January, 2024, just a day before the Prana Pratistha, I spoke in Twitter spaces hosted by Dharmic Indians. The topic was ராமனைப் போற்றும் தமிழ் நாடு.
Before I started the talk, I recalled the sacrifices done by countless unknown people in the last 500 years for the sake of reclaiming Janmasthan. We observed silence for a few seconds for their sake.
In continuation of that I was given the honour to release a video on the sacrifices of those people.
Then I started speaking on Rama's connection to Tamilnadu particularly through temples.
I spoke about three groups with 5 temples each. They are the 5 temples on Rama among the Vaishnava Divya Desams and Pancha Rama kshetras around Thiruvarur and Thiruvannamalai.
Additionally, I spoke about the importance of Madhurantakam temple and how Rama and Lakshmana appeared to the British Collector, Lionel Blaze.
Another temple was Thiruchitrakootam also known as Chidambaram and how Kulashekara Alwar's verses show the existence of Rama's shrine within the temple of Natarajar in Chidambaram. Today it is not there. In the 12th century, the Chola king Kulottunga-II removed the Vishnu shrine, popularly known as Lord Govindaraja which was depicted in the film, Dasavatara. The Alwar's verses show that there did exist a sannidhi for Rama with Hanuman in Pattabhisheka set up. The temple's original history was linked with Rama and the Deekshitars brought Lord Nataraja 3500 years ago due to loss of land. Further explanations and question- answer session that went on till 11 pm can be heard in the following link.
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1YqxoDBDgEkKv?s=20
On the 19th January, 2024, a few days before the Prana Pratistha, I was a speaker in the spaces hosted by Mr. Amit Bhatia. The event that started at 9 pm IST went on till 1 am and had to be closed due to time constraint.
I began with just two issues to establish that Ramayana was not myth.
* about Vanaras as human beings in disguise and
* the interaction between Rama and Samudra Raja when Rama was waiting to cross the sea occurred in Rama's dream, as per the description in the Mahabharata.
After nearly 40 minutes of my talk on these two issues, I started answering a volley of questions on Ramayana, Ravana, Lanka, Setu and many more. The entire talk can be heard in this link on twitter.
This interview in Thamarai TV was taken last year at the height of Ram Setu issue.
I noticed it only recently posted in the Thamarai website and hence reproducing it now.
The interview covers two topics:
1) the feasibility of cutting across the Ram Setu for navigation purpose.
2) the controversial issue of Agni Pariksha of Sita and the exile of pregnant Sita. In both these cases, Rama is accused as having Sita. Is it so? If not, why did he allow her to do enter fire and later send her to the forest when she was pregnant.
At this time of Rama's home-coming in Ayodhya in a grand temple, I thought we can go through these questions and get logical and correct answers.
I believe I have given the most correct answer for the second issue in which I find the divine couple as ideal couple who stood for family honour. In the final analysis, Rama is found to be a prisoner of circumstances and Sita, a victim of circumstances.
The video can be watched here. Comments are welcome.
My interview to #ThamaraiTV on issues around
* Ram Setu * the politicisation of Ram Setu * the identity of Vanaras as human beings * the adoption of Ravana as a Dravida King * the Dravida identity originally belonging to Brahmins & moreWatch my replies to various questions on #RamSetu in
* Adam's bridge or Ram Setu? * Did Rama live in Treta Divya Yuga 8 lakh yrs ago or Treta Dharma yuga 7k yrs ago? * Evidence for Ram Setu * Political posturing on Ram SetuWhat did Veeramani of DK tell about Ram Setu?
Did I become tense when faced with this question? Watch my interview to #ViyanTamil I also answered these questions * Was Ram Setu made by Rama? * Was Adam's bridge the original name of Ram Setu?On 12-01-2023, the DMK Government moved a resolution to revive the Setu Samudram Canal Project (see the report below). Following this I was invited by the Dinamalar Video Channel to express my views on the feasibility of the project. In my interview to Ms. Shyamala of Dinamalar, I shared my views on
# the historicity of the site
# non-feasibility of the canal project from different perspectives, including those of the fishermen
# 'Setu Sentiment' and many more.
MK
Stalin moves resolution for reviving Sethu Samudhra Canal project, to seek
Centre's support
By Pramod Madhav
Tamil
Nadu Chief Minister MK Stalin on Thursday moved a resolution to revive the
Sethu Samudhra Canal project and will seek the Centre's support in implementing
the project. The Sethu Samudhra Canal project is seen as an ambitious project
by the ruling DMK government as it would create a shipping route between India
and Sri Lanka. The ambitious project proposes to link the Palk Bay and the Gulf
of Mannar between India and Sri Lanka by creating a shipping canal. The
resolution was passed unanimously.
"Due
to political reasons, BJP opposed Sethusamudram Project. Former CM of TN,
Jayalalitha was in favour of this project but suddenly changed her stand &
filed a case against it," the CM said while moving the resolution.
But
the project has faced stiff opposition from pro-Hindu groups fearing that it
may damage Ram Setu bridge, which connects Rameswaram to the Mannar island of
Sri Lanka.
M
K Stalin batted for reviving the project for economic prosperity of the nation
and enhancing the freight handling capacity of Indian ports.
The
project, which was started on July 2, 2005 at an estimated cost of Rs 2,500
crore, came to a standstill after protests by environmentalists and Hindu
activists against the demolition of the Ram Setu, a symbol of heritage. The DMK
had, in the run-up to the 2021 Assembly election, promised to complete the
project when it comes to power to bring economic benefits to the state
ABOUT THE PROJECT
The
Sethu Samudhra Canal project is essential to strengthen the economic
development of Tamil Nadu and India. The project was originally conceived in
the year 1860 by Commander Taylor at a cost of Rs 50 lakh. The project had been
studied for years and was designed by various technical experts like Dr
Ramasamy Mudaliar from Tamil Nadu in the year 1954.
During
the Union Cabinet meeting held during 1964 and the high level committee under
the chairmanship of Dr Nagendra Singh, ICS in 1964. Various alignments were
evaluated and project reports were prepared to implement the scheme without
being detrimental to the environment.
During
the regime of the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government, the then Prime
Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee had given permission to conduct the feasibility
study of the project. The project was sanctioned in 2004 when the UPA
government was in power.
Started the year 2023 with a 4 part video talk in the popular Tamil You Tube channel, Pesu Tamizha Pesu, on the topic of Ramayana. The main focus was to dismantle the propaganda going on in Tamilnadu that Ramayana is a myth. I establish the date of Rama using many primary evidences including the analysis of the date of Ram Setu.
There is another sizeable section in Tamilnadu which accepts the historicity of Ramayana but claim that Ravana was superior to Rama, eulogizing him as a hero. Yet another narrative projects Rama- Ravana war as a war between Saivism and Vaishnavism. The most important objection comes in the form of raising the untenability of a race called Vanaras.
I have addressed all these and many other questions in 4 videos.
Part 1: ராமர் பாலம் உண்மையாகவே கட்டப்பட்டதா? | ஆதாரங்களை அடுக்கிய ஆய்வாளர் Dr Jayasree Saranathan
Not many have known about the wealth of information available in Tamil sources – both literary and epigraphic – giving valuable inputs related to Rama. Foremost among them is the claim by the Cholas that Rama was their ancestor! The second-most important information pertains to the time period of Ramayana. The third set of inputs establishes beyond doubt the location of Lanka of Ravana in present-day Sri Lanka.
Rama,
the ancestor of Cholas
Chera,
Chola and Pandya are the three ancient Tamil dynasties of which the Cholas
belonged to the solar dynasty starting from Surya, Manu and Ikshvaku. One often
comes across the reference to ‘Manu-Neeti’ as the hallmark of the Chola kings
in their inscriptions. A Chola king is remembered as ‘Manu Neeti Chola’ for
having given the highest punishment to his son, the crown prince, for having
killed a calf under his chariot. Though it was done unknowingly, the Chola king
did not hesitate to punish his son by getting a chariot run over him and kill
him. None knows the name of this king as anything other than ‘Manu Neeti Chola’,
for being a just ruler. Only the Buddhist chronicle Mahavamsha gives his name
and describes his sense of justice in the context of the death of this king in
a war in Anuradhapura in Sri Lanka. Though an invader to their domain, in
recognition of his unparalleled sense of justice, his mortal remains were cremated
with honours and a monument raised, which was worshiped by the kings of that
country, reports Mahavamsha in the 25th chapter.
The
sense of righteousness running in the lineage of Manu, it is no wonder that
Rama became an epitome of Dharma, to be emulated by any king wishing to follow
the right path. If any king is related
to Rama in the remote past, would he lose any opportunity to boast off his
filial connection with Rama? We do find evidence for such claim by the Chola
king Veera Rajendra, the grandson of Rajaraja Chola -I, engraved in the Pillars
of Bhagavati Amman temple at Kanyakumari.
While giving the detailed list of his forefathers starting from Brahma and then
Manu, the king has written that in the family of Rama was born a king named
Chola who ventured southward and founded the Chola dynasty in Poompuhar – the
place deduced from the description.
Verse
26 of the poetically written inscription in Sanskrit, stands out among every
other description about Rama, by having addressed the tough events in Rama’s
life and how he stood beyond personal considerations. For the curious reader,
here is the verse as reported in Travancore Archaeological Series (1921):
Continue to read here: Early Tamils traced their ancestry to Rama
From
Faith gets evidence from Science
by Sandhya Jain
(Earlier published in Panchjanya.com in Hindi )
The Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) is set to undertake the first scientific investigation of Rama Setu, the isthmus between India and Sri Lanka that enabled Rama’s army to cross the ocean and reach Ravana’s kingdom to rescue his wife. The Setu is a 48-km long chain of corals and shoals that scholars believe is a natural formation that was augmented by human hand. The ASI believes that studying this underwater formation will “help determine the age of the Ramayana period.” The study will be undertaken by the CSIR-National Institute of Oceanography (NIO), Goa, using radiometric and thermo luminescence dating for geological timescale.
Prof. Sunil Kumar Singh, director, NIO, said the three-year probe, to begin in March 2021, aims to determine if Ram Setu is man-made and establish its age scientifically. The results will be verified and co-related with information in Ramayana and other scriptures. The age of the sediments will be determined via Carbon dating techniques. Investigations will cover a range of scientific techniques such as material composition, sub-surface structure, and excavation of remnants or artifacts, if any, from the site. Underwater photography will help determine any habitation remains in the area. Later, scientists will drill into the structure, gather samples and undertake laboratory-based studies.
Prof Singh noted that some scriptures mention wooden slabs along the Setu. If these existed, they would have fossilised by now, and the team will search for them. As the sea bed around the Setu is shallow, barely three to four metres deep, it should be easy to study the structure. This fact is one of the major arguments against dredging the area to accommodate large modern ships.
Dr Badrinarayanan, former director, Geological Survey of India, stated in an interview (Rediff.com, July 31, 2007) that Ram Setu lay in a volcanic region with hot spots underneath; it was constructed around 7000 years Before Present (BP). Asserting that the top portion “appears to be a man-made structure”, he explained that it is originally a natural divide separating the Bay of Bengal and Indian Ocean, so the geological characteristics are different on either side.
During the Ice Age around 18,000 years ago, the sea level was lower by 130 metres than at present, due to de-glaciation. Around 7,300 years ago, major flooding caused the sea level to rise 4 metres higher than what it is today. But the bund linking India and Sri Lanka is not a mere sand dune.
The Geological Survey of India conducted surveys for the Sethu Samudram Canal project authorities in 2004-05. On approaching the structure, they found a sudden rise in the land level: from 10-12 metre it rose 1.5 metre. The northern side is the turbulent Palk Bay that is prone to cyclones, and the tranquil southern side is the Gulf of Mannar which is pristine. It hosts nearly 21 islands full of corals. The GSI did some drilling at the deeper level of about 180-200 metres, but seems not to have probed the top portion.
The National Institute of Oceanography (NIOT) dug around 10 bore holes along the Adam’s Bridge alignment; four were along the islands (where sands keep shifting) and six in the water. It found that everywhere, below the top six metres, there were marine sands on top and below a mix of corals, calcareous sandstones, and boulder-like materials. Further below, up to 4-5 metres, again there was loose sand and after that, hard formations.
This, according to Dr Badrinarayanan, shows the structure is not natural. Corals are found only on rocks and hard surfaces. But on the Setu, below the corals and boulders, were loose sand, and on top of the loose sand, formed when the sea level was low, divers found boulders, which normally occur on land. The boulders are not a marine formation. Somebody dumped the boulders to use the structure as a causeway.
In Rameswaram, Pamban, Tuticorin region, one can see old corals on the land, because the sea level was 4 metres higher at the time they were formed 7,300 to 5,800 years ago. Then, from 5,800 to 5,400 years ago, the sea level fell, and from 5,400 to 4,000 years ago, it rose 2 metres higher than it is today. Hence, we find corals at two levels.
Between 5,800 to 5,400 years ago, or around 4,000 years ago, somebody brought all the boulders to the Setu. All aerial pictures show the Setu as 2 to 3 km wide. It is high on the eastern side, so someone took advantage of the raised portion and dumped the boulders to cross the waters. On the Rameswaram islands and in Pamban, on both sides of the railway bridge, one can see such formations and raised corals, which suggest that quarrying was done there. Since no one will dump materials for 30 km, the task was undertaken to cross the sea. The boulders are compact and light.
The region is geologically and geo-tectonically sensitive. Drilling revealed hot springs of 60 to 70 degrees Celsius. Earthquakes in Sri Lanka are felt in India, which means a major fault-line runs there. Towards the north and south, are remnants of old volcanoes.
It seems obvious, therefore, that widening the water channel could activate the fault-line and trigger seismic activity or earth quakes. It is well known that cyclones or tsunamis in the Bay of Bengal are contained by the Setu, or they would devastate southern India.
*
Tamil sources uphold the significance of
Ram Setu as national heritage. Scholar Jayasree
Saranathan observes that Valmiki Ramayana mentions a tsunami-impact at the isthmus just before Rama built the
Setu, and probably caused the submergence of
Southern Madurai around that time. Rama and the Vanaras reached the
shore (VR 6:4) and waited for three days to find an opening in the ocean,
failing which Rama shot an arrow to part the waters. After much tumult in the
waters, Sāgara (God of the Sea) appeared and promised to hold back the waters
so that the Vanaras could build the bridge, which they did in five days.
Saranathan puts Ramayana events at the time when the old Tamil kingdom of Pandyans was ruling in the South. Valmiki Ramayana mentions Kavatapuram, capital city of the Pandyas; there is also a corroboratory reference to Ravana in the Sinnamanur copper plates of the Pandyans. The copper plates mention that the Pandyans often clashed with Ravana and made him seek truce, or negotiated with him for some reason. This proves that Ravana was not a mythical character, and that Ramayana happened. Saranathan estimates that per literary and epigraphic evidences, the Ramayana period must have happened after 5550 BC when Kavatam was the capital of Pandyan kings. Prof Pushkar Bhatnagar puts the date at 5114 BC, based on astronomy-inputs of Ramayana.
When Sugriva told Hanuman and the vanaras to search for Sita in the southern direction, he said that after crossing river Kaveri, Agastya’s abode and river Tamraparani, they would reach the Kavatam of Pandyas (VR, ch. 41-19). Thereafter they would reach the Southern Ocean and could reach Ravana’s Lanka from Mahendra hills. Kavatam was submerged in the third deluge 3500 years ago.
Ram Setu was an engineering feat of its time. Mandodari knew Ravana would lose the coming war when she learnt about the bridge: “The day when the terrific monkeys built a bridge on the great ocean, that day itself I believed that Rama was not an ordinary mortal.” (VR, 6-111-11)
*
Rama Setu has an illustrious history and has fascinated non-Hindus for ages. The 11th century scholar Al-Beruni observed, “Setubandha means bridge of the ocean. It is the dike of Rama, the son of Dasarath, which he built from the continent to the castle Lanka. At present it consists of isolated mountains between which the ocean flows”. Early European travellers noted that the Setu could be used to reach Sri Lanka at low tide. Temple epigraphs and travelogues recorded in the Madras Presidency Gazetteer of 1893 said this was possible up to 1799, after which the rough sea and changing tide patterns made it difficult. Interestingly, the Sinhalas believe that Ashoka’s son Mahinda and daughter Sanghamitra walked over the bridge.
NASA satellite images reveal a broken bridge on the ocean floor, with unique curvature and composition that reveals it to be man-made, about 1,750,000 years old, coinciding with the first signs of human habitation in Sri Lanka. In March 2012, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa urged the Prime Minister to declare it a national monument on account of its “immeasurable historical, archaeological and heritage value”.
Rama Setu falls within the Gulf of Mannar Marine Biosphere, set up by the Government of India in 1989 as South Asia’s largest protected marine ecosystem. It has 3,600 species of plants and animals, including sperm whales and dolphins, 117 species of corals (in Indian territorial waters alone), and many varieties of fish and crustaceans. The marine life on the Sri Lankan side is even richer. The Bar Reef off the Kalpitiya peninsular has 156 species of coral and 283 fish; two other coral reef systems adorn the seabed around Mannar and Jaffna. There are huge banks of oysters, Indian Chank and Sea Cucumbers adjacent to Mannar.
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Commander Alfred D. Taylor of the Indian Marines mooted the idea of a shipping channel across the Palk Strait in 1860, to shorten the route for ships sailing between the west and east coast of India. In 1955, the Government of India appointed a Committee headed by Dr. A.R. Mudaliar to examine if a channel at Mannar could really save nearly 780 km of sailing distance and 30 hours of sailing time for ships. The committee said the project was feasible but urged an overland passage instead, as a channel cutting through the Setu would suffer from shifting sandbanks and navigational hazards. This effectively negated the project.
Sri Lanka’s National Aquatic Resources Research and Development Agency warned that widening the channel would increase the water flow from the Bay of Bengal to the Gulf of Mannar, and disturb the inland water balance and Mannar eco-systems. Fishermen opposed the project as shipping and fishing cannot coexist in such a narrow waterway.
Moreover, data from 1860 to 2000 showed that cyclones hit the region every four years and severely erode the coast. Tsunamis such as the one in 2004 can be even more lethal. The project failed to study the sedimentation pattern of Palk Bay, where the open sea constantly brings sand that could keep the channel shut for much of the year. The Suez Canal was cut through land, but needs annual desiltation. Naval experts opined that the channel would be unviable as the large modern-day merchant ships or oil tankers would not like to reduce speed, switch fuels, and incur extra costs like canal charges and pilot navigation assistance to negotiate it, but would prefer the open seas around Sri Lanka.
The Setusamudram project was launched in 2005 at the behest of the DMK, an important partner in the UPA government; dredging began in 2006. Hindu leaders immediately met the President of India to protest against the destruction of the Rama Setu. In October 2008, T.R. Baalu, DMK minister in the Union cabinet, filed an affidavit in the Supreme Court, claiming, inter alia, that the Rama Setu was destroyed by Rama himself while departing from Lanka. Neither the Culture Ministry nor the Shipping and Road Transport Ministry were informed about the submission.
As Congress went into damage control, BJP spokesman Prakash Javadekar said, “In the first affidavit, the government said there is no proof of Rama’s existence. Then there was widespread anger and it withdrew the affidavit. In the next one, it said it was a matter of faith and was up to the court to decide. Now they are saying that Rama himself destroyed the Rama Setu, which means they are admitting that Rama existed.”
In 2012, the RK Pachauri committee warned that shipping in the Gulf of Mannar could cause oil spills and pollution, damaging the soft-coral reefs, marine turtles, and endangered sea animals such as Dugongs and Green Turtles, besides affecting the livelihoods of fishermen. It deemed the project “unviable both from the economic as well as ecological angles.”
In
2014, the Bharatiya Janata Party promised in its election manifesto that the
Setu would be protected as “part of our cultural heritage”
and because of the strategic value of its vast thorium
deposits. The qualitative value of this intangible heritage may now be
established by the Archaeological Survey of India and the National Institute of
Oceanography.
