Friday, April 25, 2008

Genetic studies - Dravidas and Kashmiri Pandits share a common ancestor.

No Aryan - Dravidian Divide. It was one Aryavartha (23)


Here is given a genetic analysis of the Indian population.


Of interest is the following observation made by the analysts.


"The analysis has also indicated that Kashmiri Pandits and Kashmiri Muslims
are genetically similar and share genetic similarities with Dravidian groups.
It has also shown that some Dravidian-speaking population groups in
south India have Indo-European lineage."


This may make people perplexed and arrive at multiple inferences.


But based on my analysis on One Aryavartha theory,
this mystery is solved.


The Dravidian groups as many believe, are not Tamils.
Tamils had maintained their identity and uniqueness
even before the landmass of Lemuria was fragmented and lost into sea.


But the migrated population from Dwaraka soon after the deluge (after
Krishna's departure)
led to a mix of North and South happening at South.
Another group from Dwaraka left for Kashmir
and we hear of the first note on Dravida coming from Kashmir only,
in Rajatharangini of 6 th Century AD.
Those who left for Kashmir had addressed those who left for the South
as those who had 'run to another place' - which is what Dravida means.


The group that migrated to Tamil nadu (about which I will continue in
the coming days)
spread all over Tamilnadu,
but later were more concentrated on the present day Karnataka and Kerala.
The mix-up of sanskrit with Tamil in their languages is also proof
to the mix-up of the peoples that happened.


It will be more appropriate to call these people as Dravidas.


A genetic study of the people of Karnataka and Kerala with those of
Gujarath and Kashmir must be undertaken to know whether they had
common ancestry.


In this context, Konkans must be left out, for, we have proof in Tamil
texts that a king from this migrated group drove out Konkans, who were
natives of the eastern side of the Western ghats.
An inscription by this king by name Aai Andiran, has also been found.
He has mentioned in that that he was a Yadava who had come in the
lineage of Krishna.
His area of occupation was in and around Podhiagai hills - to the west
of present day Madurai.


Another king who founded the Hoysala dynasty also had been mentioned
in Tamil texts.
These people were there in the whole of south India (the present Tamil
nadu, karanataka and Kerala) and mixed with the local Tamil population
too.


If these information from Tamil texts and inscriptions are ignored, we
will be writing a wrong history of the past.


Genetic studies on Keralites, Kannadigas, Gujarathis and Yadavas of
Tamil nadu must be done for comparison.


-Jayasree

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http://hindutva97.blogspot.com/2008/04/stamp-on-tagores-india-genetic-map.html

Hindu civilization genetic mapping

Stamp on Tagore's India Genetic map blurs lines

G.S. MUDUR (Telegraph, Kolkata, 25 April 2008)


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New Delhi, April 24: A mammoth effort to analyse genetic variations
across Indian populations has blurred the lines that separate caste
and religious groups, kindling memories of a 98-year-old verse from
Rabindranath Tagore.


The Indian Genome Variation (IGV) project analysed 75 genes from 1,871
people drawn from 55 diverse caste, religious and tribal communities.
Scientists also expect the project to throw light on how genes
influence diseases, susceptibility to infections, and response to
medicines.


The study by a consortium of six Council of Scientific and Industrial
Research (CSIR) laboratories and the Indian Statistical Institute,
Calcutta, has provided the strongest genetic evidence yet to suggest
that several populations have intermingled in India over the
centuries.


Dravidian lineages have mixed with Indo-Europeans, Austroasiatics have
mingled with Dravidians, and bridge populations in central India are
blends of Dravidian, Indo-European and Himalayan groups.


"When people move, genes move with them," said Partha Mazumder, a
senior project scientist at the statistical institute in Calcutta.
"Genes carried by migrating humans cluster into groups, and different
populations acquire some genetic distinctiveness."

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The scientists consider some of the findings about genetic proximity
and disease risk data as so sensitive that they have decided not to
make the identities of the communities public — for now.


"We had intense debates on whether to reveal the names of
communities," said Mitali Mukerjee, project coordinator at the
Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology (IGIB), New Delhi.


"I don't think scientists are prepared yet to understand the full
social ramifications if such information is made public," Mukerjee
told The Telegraph. "For medical applications, we don't need names.
Data about disease susceptibility genes will be made available to
doctors and researchers," she said.


The study, published this month in the Journal of Genetics, has shown
that some Hindu caste groups are genetically closer to Muslims in the
same geographical region than to their own caste cousins elsewhere in
India.


The findings show differences between caste and tribal populations,
but researchers believe this is because of the ancestry and relative
isolation of tribal groups.


"The social hierarchy of caste groups is not fully reflected in their
genetic profile," said Mazumder, who's been trying to use genetics to
piece together migratory histories of populations.


The analysis has also indicated that Kashmiri Pandits and Kashmiri
Muslims are genetically similar and share genetic similarities with
Dravidian groups. It has also shown that some Dravidian-speaking
population groups in south India have Indo-European lineage.


"This opens up a number of intriguing questions about the ancestry and
movement of Dravidian populations," Mukerjee said.


"The map we've got shows a remarkable coincidence with what Tagore
appeared to have sensed," said Samir Brahmachari, the director-general
of the CSIR, who, as former director of the IGIB, served as project
chairman.


Brahmachari said the study results stirred his memories of Tagore's
1910 poem Bharat-tirtha that has the lines: Aryan and non-Aryan,
Dravidian and Chinese... Pathan, Mughal/All have merged into one
body.…


The study of genetic variations can help determine risk to disease and
infections and even response to drugs.


The analysis has shown that a genetic mutation called CCR5 which
provides natural protection to individuals from infection with HIV is
not present or is present in low frequency in most Indian populations


In the coming months, scientists hope to use genetic variation studies
to understand how genes influence risk of a range of diseases —
malaria to diabetes to brain disorders.


"We don't want to label communities as carriers of disease-related
genes nor do we want to raise false alarms," said Saman Habib, a
project scientist at the Central Drug Research Institute, Lucknow, who
plans to use the data to find out why different populations respond
differently to malaria.
http://telegraphindia.com/1080425/jsp/frontpage/story_9186161.jsp#


http://pratlab.blogspot.com/2008/04/indian-genome-variation-project.html
The Indian Genome Variation project

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

THE RESULTS ARE AS EXPECTED, THERE ARE DRAVIDANS, AUSTRALOIDS, MOGOLOIDS, ARYANS AND OTHER RACIAL GROUPS THAT IS PROVED. THOUGH THE PROJECT IS SMALL, THE SAMPLES ARE SMALL AND SO THE FINDINGS TOO ARE NOT LIMITED, A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY IS STILL REQUIRED.
OUT OF INDIA THEORY TO THE DUSTBN NOW, DRAVIDAN AND ARYANS ARE MERELY LINGUISTIC GROUPS BUT BELONG TO SAME STOCK, ARE SAME PEOPLE, PROVED FALSE. THERE MUST BE A STUDY TO PROVE THAT THE DALITS TOO ARE NON ARYANS. THAT IS EAGERLY EXPECTED, SOME RESULTS HAVE ALREADY PROVED THAT. STILL A DETAILED ONE IS REQD.
JAI BHIM!

jayasree said...

My reply in the post "From genetic studies to literary evidence - the non-existent Dravidas and dalits."

Anonymous said...

Usman Butt said,

This is another attempt by filthy dravidian indians to create linkage of kashmiris with filthy dravidians which is bull shit. I am yet to see an average muslim kashmiri from the valley who would look like an average dravidian.

Since kashmir is a poltical problem, indians are desperate to prove by all means that kashmiris have something to do with filthy ugly dravidian indian. I do not accept biased genetic reasearch of hindus on kashmir. Totally dismissed.

jayasree said...

Good comment from Usman Butt. So Kashmiris are Aryans! All those places Pakisthan, Afghanisthan that call themselves Muslims were once Arynas!! They were traditionally following this culture of Hindusthan and were forced under the threat of sword to convert to Islam. Do you agree?

Think my friend, keep wake, think and read all the scientific and historic stuff. You will know that this was a unified country, one nation, one people and one culture that had been torn apart by mindless arrogance. To help you get the brainy stuff on these, here are some links:-


On the genetic study of same ancestry for the so-called Aryans and Dravidians >

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.com/2008/12/india-centric-evolution-of-aryans.html


On the way this country was torn by Jehadis for a 1000 years to such an extent that people like you have forgotten your roots >

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/moghal_atro.html


http://www.islam-watch.org/Rizwan_Salim/What-Islamic-Invaders-Did-to-India.htm


http://www.scribd.com/doc/4079106/Elst-K-Was-There-an-Islamic-Genocide-of-Hindus


http://www.islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/Jihad-against-Hindus-of-India-Pakistan-Bangladesh.htm

Anonymous said...

Most Indians are Aryans. Patanjali said, "Any person brom Braown to light with sharp features living in Bharat is f Aryan Race". This Race came from India. population genetics is a crude science still, thus foreigners and their Indian followers are trying to boost the foreigners and demoralize Indians. this will never be achieved. Aryan people originated in Aryavarta.

Anonymous said...

This race of aryans originated in aryavarta, so we can only compare other aryans to the Indians and not vice-versa. also sanskrit is the oldest surviving aryan language and thus we can compare other aryan languages to sanskrit and not vice-versa.
g. singh chauhan
jaipur

Raj Rajratna Goswami said...

see, the Aryans were too not a single race.
the Ikshvakus were mongoloids and Bharatas were Caucasoid.
Similarly Dalits are part of every race who used to depend basically on the tread of dead animal body remains, like hide or bones. So there are dalits with many different racial features. They were aryan and non aryan too.
every cattle breeding society still supports such communities like Meghwals in Kutch live with Rabaris and Jats, the shepherds.
Scriptures says Scythians had their own Brahmana and Shudras.
So racially they can not be one.
Similarly, the Dravaidians or Aryans too had a common origin in near east and the Drawidians migrated the earlier then the Vedic Aryans or the Inodo Iranis to India and further South. The Bruhi is its proof. So no diiference will be noticed among Kashmiris and Dravidas.

lalitsjamwal said...

Racial genetics is a very inaccurate science and a crook scientist can link any race to any race.

No Dravid Race exists Dravid just means South. Most Indians are pure Aryans and the colour of this race was known to be from brown to light. Most Iyers and Ayyangers are lighter than say Punjabis. The colour changes due to occupation and climate. The Punjabis are Aryans too so are most South Indians. Go by Rigveda the Aryan Race is indigenous to India.

Prof. C. Basu