Monday, June 9, 2008

The Karmic difference between Kamal Hassan and Srinivasan Iyengar!

The following links from Dr Bruno discuss the question of genetics

in transferring certain disabilities

and also whether caste and up bringing have any role to play in this.

There is also a talk on whether these are indicated in horoscope.

Dis-abilities are not passed on to everyone of the lineage.

Whether one inherits a particular disability or not

is decided by the karmic experience

that one has to undergo in a particular birth.

But the disability may be passed on to subsequent generations

so that at some time in future,

some future off-spring who is destined to undergo the effects of such a disability

inherits it.

According to sanathana dharma, such pass-on-s happen

to 14 generations before and 14 generations after.

Some defect that was there in the 14th generation before

may get manifest in one, if one is destined to suffer that.

The genetic pool offers a wide source and

the passing-on-s of some defects indicate that

it may get ‘activated’ at a future date in a future off-spring.

In the immediate context 3 generations influence the off-springs.

My write-ups on pithru tarpaN will give information on

what the soul takes along with itself after death.

In consonance with what the soul has to experience in a subsequent birth,

it enters a yoni and draws the genes accordingly.

There is absolutely no random selection as far as the soul is concerned.

The soul’s faculty of knowledge and brain power

are all possessed by it already

which were acquired by it in the previous births.

Depending on the karma,

the soul works on it and may have it shielded in that birth.

The famous PuranaanUru song by KaNiyan Poonkundran

(yaadum voorE, yaavarum kELir) describes this beautifully.

One can not judge a person by what he is in this birth.

He may have been an enlightened one

but born dull due to his karma.

Once he wears off that karma,

his subsequent birth will see him

shine with his enlightenment.

From Brahma sutras we know that even if one has attained

The equanimity required for Release (moksha),

if he has some karma that has to be experienced,

such a person will be born again only to wear off that karma.

After that he will attain Moksha.

In this context, background and caste have a limited role to play.

There have been cases of “kundhu mani in kuppai-medu”

(prized gem in abandoned site)

or “vatthiyaar pillai makku”

( a dull son born to a great teacher).

All these are to ward off karma.

In warding off karma,

the karma of all those with whom one is associated

also is taken into account.

It is wonderful matrix of placing many people in a set-up

and the interactive karma and experiences

working with each-other so that

everyone will undergo their share of karma –

not a needle-tip more or less.

That is why we don’t always find ‘inherited’ horoscopes

or inherited palms (in palmistry)

However I have seen inherited ‘attitudes’ in horoscopes and palms

in some cases,

which are what the individual souls possessed

or are destined to possess by acquiring from genes and / or

molded by back-ground.

I have also seen RH negative running in families,

indicated by defective Mars and Rahu too.

The RH negative / some defect

not coming into a particular off-spring among other siblings

has also been indicated by a defect – getting a bhangam,

which means the trait is of course hidden in that particular person,

but may be activated in a future off-spring.

Also watch out eclipse births and

births at amavasya.

There are bound to be inherited diseases.

As far as child-birth problems are concerned,

the defect may run into generations but will not get manifest at every one.

If, on the other hand it gets manifested in generation after generation,

we attribute it to some ‘curse’ and

seek to remove it by pariharas and correctives.

If the curse ceases to haunt the family,

those born after the parihara was done,

will not exhibit that curse in the horoscope.

Basically it is all about the karma that one has to undergo.

A lawyer's son becoming a lawyer is an advantage used by the soul to fashion its birth.

But whether the soul earns Rs, 20,000 or Rs 2 lakh /pm

or just remains a lawyer on paper is due to its karma.

Up-bringing or caste or family has no role in this.

It has even been said Daivagyas ( astrology- rishis)

that what one is, will come out after 20 years of age,

though until then, the person is influenced by his parents and environment.

His real in-thing - good or bad or a mix-up

will manifest after 20 years -

irrespective of what his family back-ground or influence is like.

A Kamal hassan born to religious parents

rising in a profession not nurtured by such parents

is also a valid example of how karma alone decides.

It is "padhavi poorva puNyaanaam"

One's position / profession / money from such profession is due to poorva punyam.

Kamal's failure to grasp the core issue of Ramanuja's life

in announcing Thirumanthram to all irrespective of castes,

and use it in his film so that a crucial information can be taken to masses

at a crucial point of time in the history of India,

is also about the limits of his karmic duty

that he is otherwise expected to be born with,

as a son of a spiritual Srinivasan Iyengar.


புருனோ Bruno said...

//One's position / profession / money from such profession is due to poorva punyam.//

:) :) :) :)

திவாண்ணா said...

//A lawyer's son becoming a lawyer is an advantage used by the soul to fashion its birth.

But whether the soul earns Rs, or Rs 2 lakh /pm

or just remains a lawyer on paper is due to its karma.//

that is the yoga and kshemam in life. right.

Jayasree Saranathan said...

புருனோ Bruno said...
//One's position / profession / money from such profession is due to poorva punyam.//

:) :) :) :)

Seems you understood only this line in the whole write-up!!?

Read my next post.

jeevagv said...

I totally forgot what the title of the post was - and only the final lines reminded that!

Jayasree Saranathan said...

Dear Jeeva,


I am reminded of a dialogue in S.V, Sekar's drama, 'Kaattula mazhai'. About 10 minutes before the end of the play, S.V. Sekar would say " kaatula mazhai". Someone would comment " why do you say this without any relevance?" Sekar would say, "The drama is going to end in 10 minutes. If I don't say the title even now, when can I say it? Should I not have to bring out some relevance to the title of the drama?"

If the title of my post and kamal's inclusion at the fag end looks like this, I must say I can't help. Sometimes catchy titles are necessary to bring in reader's attention. But in this case, the trigger of the post is Dr Bruno's blogs on castes and whether castes play any role in giving advantage to the individual.I think it is not so. To drive home the point I handled the two instances (lawyer's son who is also a lawyer and Kamal) that he discussed in his blog.

Anonymous said...

though not in this context, I would like to point out to you that caste is the criteria to get big posts in the state of Andhra Pradesh. The percentage of Kammas, Reddys is less than 10%, but the state is always ruled by them. Can't you see a marxist can bag a big post in TTD because he is a Reddy. Thanks for the favour by putting a post on this person.

Jayasree Saranathan said...

What a concocted logic!

Administrative skills and devotion are requisites for becoming the TTD chairman.

Read Karunakar Reddy’s ‘God and I’ in my blog.
Thank god.
There is one field that is still left out of their purview of seeing everything through the prism of caste.
That is about “Moksha” granted by God.
Perhaps if Moksha is about material issue, they would have blamed ‘forward’ castes and even God for that!!

Speaking on TTD, there was once a practice not to allow all castes inside the Thirumala temple. No one knows who brought that practice. But certainly not Brahmins or Vaishnavas who conduct poojas in that temple, for, it was their preceptor Ramanuja, who was known for bringing everyone into one fold – irrespective of castes - as “bhagavathas” had laid down the rules of worship in that temple about 1000 years ago. Certainly discrimination had not been there,
but had come into vogue sometime alter and somehow.

But during the British regime it so happened that a person used to come to Thirupathy every year, stand opposite to the main entrance where until recently people used to break coconuts and leave back home. On that particular occasion he entered the temple and was promptly arrested by the police.

Rajaji came to know of this incident. That was the time Civil disobedience movement was on and lawyers were boycotting the courts. But Rajaji thought that he must speak for this man and sent a note to Gandhiji explaining this incident and telling that he thought it fit to violate Disobedience movement and argue for this man.

After sending the note he went to the court where that person was produced and fought for him without lawyer’s robe. He won the case and brought in the ruling that anyone could enter the temple. Meanwhile Gandhiji sent his reply lauding Rajaji and to take immediate steps to get the person released and also impress on the judge the need to shed that rule on entry. These letters were produced by Rajaji’s grand son and published in The Hindu about a few years ago.

The points to be noted is that Rajaji was a Brahmin. From the dismay he showed on knowing of the bar on entry, it is seen that he (and many perhaps) had not known that such a rule had existed. But once known, he had swung into action.

I want to tell this to all these people who think that they are serving the cause of backward people by putting the blame on forward castes, particularly the Brahmins. (I even went through a blog of one these persons which had catchy titles on Brahmins – but there were only words and words, but no substance).

A brahmin by practice, particularly a Srivaishnavite by practice would never harm a person or discriminate against a person. That is anathema to his religious precept. The story of Kulasekara azhwar (mentioned in one of my posts) swearing on the high ethical and moral conduct of a srivaishnava by putting his hand in a pot of snakes is point worth recalling.

It is for this reason I say that Kamal, inspite being born and brought up in a brahmin family failed to grasp the important historic and nurtured attitude of Sri vaishnavites of not hurting or harming any one in Saiva- vaishnava clash. But he is said to have depicted this in his film.

Had caste had any influence on him, he would have picked up the core mission of Ramanuja’s life of spreading Ashtakshari to everyone irrespective of the curse it would invite for doing so. But Kamal could not pick that up.
His past karma decides what he has to be now.

திவாண்ணா said...

looks like brahminism is fast disappearing! we have only ppl who say they are brahmins because they are born in a family. but where is the quality?

Unknown said...

haha!! hell with my logic, you got a good companion in this racist's comment above.

Jayasree Saranathan said...

I leave it to the judgment of readers on the charge of racism by Praada.

The advantage of being born in a Brahmin family is,
(as Cricketer Srikkanth said – published in ‘God and I’ section in this blog)
to get sermonized to pray to God and follow the religious practices.

The elementary preaching that one gets in a Brahmin household is
“thappu seidhal swamy kannai kutthiduvaar”
God will pierce your eyes if you do wrong.

This moral preaching is so strong that
even Periyaaar Ramasamy Naikar once said
that he would prefer only Brahmin tenants for his (many) houses,
because they only used to pay the rent properly without cheating.

Do you think, Praada, that such people exploited others?

That such people who grow up with a preaching
that they would be punished if they harm others,
appropriated wealth and opportunities at the expense of others?

That such people oppressed others?

In Kamal’s case,
I must say the preaching of the Brahmin household is perfectly there.
He got a very basic preaching from Gita from his mother.
Kamal once said in an interview
that his mother told him to strive well in any endeavor he chose.
His mother seems to have told him,
“even if you want to be a scavenger, be the best scavenger”.

This is the very essence of Gita vachan,
“Yogah karmasu kaushalam” (chapter 2)
Perfection in action is called Yoga, says Krishna.
Whatever be the avocation one chooses,
he must do full justice to it by working on it completely
and towards perfection – even it is about scavenging.

This preaching has gone well with Kamal.
Every movie of his is an attempt at this strive.

But as one having had fairly good exposure to Ramanuja’s life
(which I believe he must have had),
he failed to grasp the core theme of his life,
that of denouncing any differences in terms of caste
and treating all as same and equal and one.
Ramanuja even deserted his wife,
as he dis-approved of her discriminatory tendency towards other castes.

In present day’s condition,
this information must be taken to the masses.
Kamal with a wide viewer ship
could have easily taken this message to the masses in his film “Dasavatharam”.

This is where I say that being born in a caste had not had such a profound effect on him.
Diva echoed it in his comment.